July 20, 200620 yr Former Cubs cursing other teams Conversely, the "Ex-Cubs Factor" seemed to plague many a post-season qualifier that had too many former Cubs. This theory reached its zenith in 1990, when this factor "predicted" that the Oakland Athletics were "doomed" in the Series, and in fact were swept by the Cincinnati Reds in a stunning upset. In 2001, the Arizona Diamondbacks faced the Yankees with 3 ex-Cubs on their roster, and won the Series in dramatic fashion, pretty well burying that "curse". Boston Red Sox first baseman Bill Buckner, who was blamed for the Red Sox 1986 World Series loss after a routine ground ball rolled through his legs, was also a former Cub. source This might explain this team horrible luck so far this year even though they are better then what their record indicate. We do have atliest 3 former Cubs players (Sergio Mitre, Ricky Nolasco, and Renyel Pinto).
July 20, 200620 yr Curses are stupid In 2003 we had former Cubs Dontrelle Willis and Lenny Harris. Didn't seem to be a problem
July 20, 200620 yr curses are only valid to those who believe in them...plus...i believe only mitre actually played for the chicago cubs(while the rest were in the organization) and i dont think mitre will be in the team's future past this year or next
July 20, 200620 yr Curses are stupid In 2003 we had former Cubs Dontrelle Willis and Lenny Harris. Didn't seem to be a problem And future Cub, Juan Pierre.
July 20, 200620 yr Author Curses are stupid In 2003 we had former Cubs Dontrelle Willis and Lenny Harris. Didn't seem to be a problem Don't forget The_Inning Former Cubs who won a World Series title elsewhere Another factor that may play a role in the curse is the number of players who won World Series titles after leaving the Cubs. These players include Andy Pafko (who, coincidentally, played in the 1945 World Series as a Cub), Smoky Burgess, Don Hoak, Dale Long, Lou Brock, Lou Johnson, Jim Brewer, Moe Drabowsky, Don Cardwell, Ken Holtzman, Bill North, Bill Madlock, Manny Trillo, Rick Monday, Burt Hooton, Bruce Sutter, Willie Hern?ndez, Joe Niekro, Dennis Eckersley, Joe Carter, Greg Maddux (who has since returned to the Cubs), Joe Girardi, Glenallen Hill, Luis Gonz?lez, Mike Morgan, Mark Grace, Mark Bellhorn and Bill Mueller. Dontrelle Willis and Jon Garland were traded as minor leaguers. Hey Girardi and Willis Well here a chapter that kinda cancel each other out from the same source. :mischief2 Some good reading for people that believe of the Billy Curse.
July 20, 200620 yr curses are only valid to those who believe in them... Exactly. For many Cubs fans blaming Steve Bartman is easier than admitting your team fell apart - your pitcher had a meltdown, ss made an error, etc. All those runs scored just because one fan tried to catch one foul ball. I guess it's choosing to blame a curse over taking responsibility. Like most fans, I have silly superstitions about baseball but no fear of curses.
July 20, 200620 yr Thanks for posting that link to TheInning syder21. That was a really cool read. I liked the 5 reasons to not blame Bartman part.
July 20, 200620 yr I laugh at curses!!!! Arent we all a little to smart to believe in Hocus Pocus? Noooo. Everyone go get garlic necklaces-hurry-there is too much blasphemy here.
July 20, 200620 yr I laugh at curses!!!! Arent we all a little to smart to believe in Hocus Pocus? Noooo. Everyone go get garlic necklaces-hurry-there is too much blasphemy here. This isnt a vampire :mischief
July 20, 200620 yr Curses add intrigue to the fabric of baseball. Why the hate? Sure its an excuse but it connects generations.
July 20, 200620 yr keep those great threads coming! LOL! I don't think the supernatural concerns itself with baseball. Though maybe the Cubs are both cursed and crappy.
July 20, 200620 yr keep those great threads coming! LOL! I don't think the supernatural concerns itself with baseball. Though maybe the Cubs are both cursed and crappy. Yeah thats a preety bad combination
July 21, 200620 yr Not into curses. If there is something you want to worry about then worry about next year and the sophmore slump.
July 21, 200620 yr Not into curses. If there is something you want to worry about then worry about next year and the sophmore slump. Miguel seemed to avoid it, although the freshman 15 turned into junior 50 for him.
July 21, 200620 yr Curses are stupid In 2003 we had former Cubs Dontrelle Willis and Lenny Harris. Didn't seem to be a problem Don't forget The_Inning Former Cubs who won a World Series title elsewhere Another factor that may play a role in the curse is the number of players who won World Series titles after leaving the Cubs. These players include Andy Pafko (who, coincidentally, played in the 1945 World Series as a Cub), Smoky Burgess, Don Hoak, Dale Long, Lou Brock, Lou Johnson, Jim Brewer, Moe Drabowsky, Don Cardwell, Ken Holtzman, Bill North, Bill Madlock, Manny Trillo, Rick Monday, Burt Hooton, Bruce Sutter, Willie Hern?ndez, Joe Niekro, Dennis Eckersley, Joe Carter, Greg Maddux (who has since returned to the Cubs), Joe Girardi, Glenallen Hill, Luis Gonz?lez, Mike Morgan, Mark Grace, Mark Bellhorn and Bill Mueller. Dontrelle Willis and Jon Garland were traded as minor leaguers. Hey Girardi and Willis Well here a chapter that kinda cancel each other out from the same source. :mischief2 Some good reading for people that believe of the Billy Curse. LOL, man...reading "The Inning" just put a huge smile on my face. The good 'ole times..
July 21, 200620 yr The Marlins have other curses to fear. That curse were they win World Championships every 5-6 years and also the ballpark they play in is about a big a curse as any.
July 21, 200620 yr The 2004 Red Sox had Bill Mueller, Mark Bellhorn, Ricky Gutierrez, Frank Castillo, Terry Adams, and Sandy Martinez..... all former Cubs.... I hope somehow we can overcome that horrible curse....
July 22, 200620 yr Not into curses. If there is something you want to worry about then worry about next year and the sophmore slump. Miguel seemed to avoid it, although the freshman 15 turned into junior 50 for him. Yea Miggy did avoid it. But look at all the players that haven't. And then look at all the rookies we have. Like I said before. I worry more about the sophmore slump than any kind of curse.
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