September 9, 200718 yr Top 4 payroll teams: New York Yankees Boston Red Sox New York Mets Los Angeles Angels All heading to the playoffs if the season were to end now. Bottom 4 payroll teams Tampa Bay 26.5 games out of first Florida 19.5 Washington 17.5 Pittsburgh 10.5 Every one is hopelessly out of the playoff picture. Once again, MLB's final standings can be ascertained, at least to some degree, by merely looking at payroll figures before the season even starts. Professional wrestling has preordained results. MLB should not. At least not to the degree which now exists. And results should not be based upon payroll and revenue flow. This will be the 13th straight year the Yankees are in the playoffs. And the Marlins failure to make the playoffs this year was to a large degree preordained, and could have been forecast from their low payroll figures. The economic structure of football allows fair competition and the end results cannot be predicted by looking at payroll figures. Perhaps MLB could learn something from the NFL.
September 9, 200718 yr incorrect...the Marlins had a horribly off year...we did it in 03, came relatively "close" in 04 and 05, and had a fighting chance in 06...our struggles this year have less to do with payroll than with injuries, pitching troubles, and mental mistakes... even those top payroll teams have off years... yes, payroll seems to preordain things...but thats not always true, just a mere coincidence...leave things the way they are...the better teams will overcome it
September 9, 200718 yr Disagree, completely. If you had our planned rotation of Willis, Johnson, Sanchez, Olsen & Nolasco each staying mostly healthy (allowing for maybe 1 being hurt long term and certainly not 3 simultaneously) giving Mitre some starts as well, we would be in the playoff picture. Maybe not in the playoffs, but we would not be anywhere near the bottom. It is the mass of injuries to our players, not their salaries that made this season what it is. That said, spending more would probably better allow us to compensate for those injuries, but spending or not spending in and of itself has very little to do with our problems.
September 9, 200718 yr Dunno, Dontrelle is still here and pitching like crap... As I type the Phillies just scored 5 runs off of him in the 1st... You can't say if we had the rotation pencilled in at the end of Spring Training that the Fish make playoffs, still have to play the games...
September 9, 200718 yr Just because a team can make the playoffs with a low payroll, doesnt mean there isn't something wrong. Before every season you can almost predict half of the teams in the playoffs. Tighlty related to payroll, its plain as day...
September 9, 200718 yr Dunno, Dontrelle is still here and pitching like crap... As I type the Phillies just scored 5 runs off of him in the 1st... You can't say if we had the rotation pencilled in at the end of Spring Training that the Fish make playoffs, still have to play the games... I didn't say they would. I said that they wouldn't be in competition for last place. I also am of the opinion that Dontrelle being the last man standing also affects his performance. His best year pitching was 2005, when among other things, he had all the pressure of being #4 or #5 in the rotation.
September 9, 200718 yr bottom line...if payroll won championships, the Yankees would have won several more championships since their last one in 2000...and the Red Sox would have won more than the one that they have in the past million years
September 9, 200718 yr Payroll certainly has an impact. The number of teams with low payrolls who have won the World Series is very low. The Marlins are one of the few exceptions to this, but it is generally the mid-to-high range payroll teams who win the league championships and then the World Series.
September 9, 200718 yr Payroll certainly has an impact. The number of teams with low payrolls who have won the World Series is very low. The Marlins are one of the few exceptions to this, but it is generally the mid-to-high range payroll teams who win the league championships and then the World Series. This is the best reply to the original post.
September 9, 200718 yr For the record, I would prefer not to have a salary cap just yet. However, it's clear that the luxury tax idea has not discouraged the Yanks and Red Sox from spending money each season that equals more than most countries produce in a year or two.
September 9, 200718 yr The Devil Rays, the smallest payroll in the majors, have a 7-9 record this season against the Yankees. If their payrolls were any indication, it should be more like 1-15 or 2-14, since the yankees have a 9-1 payroll gap over them.
September 9, 200718 yr The Devil Rays, the smallest payroll in the majors, have a 7-9 record this season against the Yankees. If their payrolls were any indication, it should be more like 1-15 or 2-14, since the yankees have a 9-1 payroll gap over them. This could have more to do with an overall "Team A matches up really well with Team B" and isnt the greatest argument for this discussion. Also for the record, I am not in favor of a salary cap myself.
September 9, 200718 yr bottom line...if payroll won championships, the Yankees would have won several more championships since their last one in 2000...and the Red Sox would have won more than the one that they have in the past million years Teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox may not always win the WS, but every year they are in the position to contend for it because of their huge payroll. Teams like the Marlins have a shot at it every 5 to 6 years. We trade our stars.....obtain top prospects ...... the prospects develop into stars......but we have to trade them because thy become free agents and we can't afford them. If we have injuries like we did this year, we have to make do with what we have in the minors. We can't go out and trade or acquire prayers like the Yankees or Red Sox do.
September 9, 200718 yr Seems like we get one or two of these threads a month from some lurker. The ChiSox, White Sox and Marlins all had reasonable payrolls when they won the WS. MLB doesn't need a cap. MLB needs to better redistribute money generated by the big market teams with their own TV stations.
September 9, 200718 yr Dunno, Dontrelle is still here and pitching like crap... As I type the Phillies just scored 5 runs off of him in the 1st... You can't say if we had the rotation pencilled in at the end of Spring Training that the Fish make playoffs, still have to play the games... I didn't say they would. I said that they wouldn't be in competition for last place. I also am of the opinion that Dontrelle being the last man standing also affects his performance. His best year pitching was 2005, when among other things, he had all the pressure of being #4 or #5 in the rotation. If there is one thing I have discovered is Dontrelle is a big game pitcher. If the game has any meaning he'll come to play. When it doesn't he blows. Best example this year is when magically he came out to pitch in San Fran against the Giants. Blame it on him being home or Barry, but the end result was it was a big game to him so came out. D-Train is fine he just needs a reason to compete. You may not think that he should be doing that but that's how it is sometimes.
September 9, 200718 yr Dunno, Dontrelle is still here and pitching like crap... As I type the Phillies just scored 5 runs off of him in the 1st... You can't say if we had the rotation pencilled in at the end of Spring Training that the Fish make playoffs, still have to play the games... I didn't say they would. I said that they wouldn't be in competition for last place. I also am of the opinion that Dontrelle being the last man standing also affects his performance. His best year pitching was 2005, when among other things, he had all the pressure of being #4 or #5 in the rotation. If there is one thing I have discovered is Dontrelle is a big game pitcher. If the game has any meaning he'll come to play. When it doesn't he blows. Best example this year is when magically he came out to pitch in San Fran against the Giants. Blame it on him being home or Barry, but the end result was it was a big game to him so came out. D-Train is fine he just needs a reason to compete. You may not think that he should be doing that but that's how it is sometimes.
September 9, 200718 yr Seems like we get one or two of these threads a month from some lurker. The ChiSox, White Sox and Marlins all had reasonable payrolls when they won the WS. MLB doesn't need a cap. MLB needs to better redistribute money generated by the big market teams with their own TV stations. Ding. Ding. Ding.
September 13, 200718 yr Baseball needs a salary floor 100X more than a salary cap. Yep. AND, institute a salary structure in the draft so Scott Boras doesn't scare small market teams from his clients with a threat to go to college.
September 13, 200718 yr Baseball needs a salary floor 100X more than a salary cap. Yep. AND, institute a salary structure in the draft so Scott Boras doesn't scare small market teams from his clients with a threat to go to college. Amen Lou!
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