Postgame Thread 4/20

[HungryFish06]

My friend made that picture for me.

 

I only got to see a little bit on Gameday.

 

 

I do know Hanley had 2 homers, and Olsen apparently pitched well.

 

Begin discussing!

[Hollyberry]

:woohoo Great game all around.

[fanfish]

Olsen again impressive, seven innings with only one earned run.

Hanley again very impressive, two huge HR

Uggla seems to be coming out of his slump

Cantu is hitting better ( I think he feels the competition with Helms)

 

The Nationals, however, lost the game on defense.

In the first inning Zimmerman's bad throw let Uggla reach second and later score.

In the 8th, Lastings lost Ross's fly ball in the sun, which will be scored as a double, not an error. If he catches the ball, the inning would have ended with Treanor's strike out. Instead, with two outs, Gonzalez walks to load the bases. A wild pitch and an error with the bases loaded allowed another 2 runs. Then Hanley hit his two run homer. My point is that the Marlins only legit run was Hanley's first homer.

[HungryFish06]

Olsen again impressive, seven innings with only one earned run.

Hanley again very impressive, two huge HR

Uggla seems to be coming out of his slump

Cantu is hitting better ( I think he feels the competition with Helms)

 

The Nationals, however, lost the game on defense.

In the first inning Zimmerman's bad throw let Uggla reach second and later score.

In the 8th, Lastings lost Ross's fly ball in the sun, which will be scored as a double, not an error. If he catches the ball, the inning would have ended with Treanor's strike out. Instead, with two outs, Gonzalez walks to load the bases. A wild pitch and an error with the bases loaded allowed another 2 runs. Then Hanley hit his two run homer. My point is that the Marlins only legit run was Hanley's first homer.

 

 

We've been on the other end of that plenty of times.

[louiecastillo1]

The game was pretty boring up until the 8th, Olsen had another good outing, and Uggla finally decided not to strike out today.

[juanpierre]

The game was pretty boring up until the 8th, Olsen had another good outing, and Uggla finally decided not to strike out today.

 

Hermida and treanor picked up the slack

[Rabbethan]

Olsen again impressive, seven innings with only one earned run.

Hanley again very impressive, two huge HR

Uggla seems to be coming out of his slump

Cantu is hitting better ( I think he feels the competition with Helms)

 

The Nationals, however, lost the game on defense.

In the first inning Zimmerman's bad throw let Uggla reach second and later score.

In the 8th, Lastings lost Ross's fly ball in the sun, which will be scored as a double, not an error. If he catches the ball, the inning would have ended with Treanor's strike out. Instead, with two outs, Gonzalez walks to load the bases. A wild pitch and an error with the bases loaded allowed another 2 runs. Then Hanley hit his two run homer. My point is that the Marlins only legit run was Hanley's first homer.

And how did the Nats get their run? Oh yeah, a terrible call from an ump that cost us an extra base runner who ended up scoring.

 

 

And the other thing is that we managed to take advantage of these mistakes. Many times, we don't.

[30plus]

Hanley, Olsen, Tank, and even Uggla played a huge role in winning this ball game.

[Hotcorner]

that's 3 straight great starts from Olsen, and even his first start wasn't bad.

 

Maybe this is the season he starts putting it together.

[MiamiManiac131]

Olsen again impressive, seven innings with only one earned run.

Hanley again very impressive, two huge HR

Uggla seems to be coming out of his slump

Cantu is hitting better ( I think he feels the competition with Helms)

 

The Nationals, however, lost the game on defense.

In the first inning Zimmerman's bad throw let Uggla reach second and later score.

In the 8th, Lastings lost Ross's fly ball in the sun, which will be scored as a double, not an error. If he catches the ball, the inning would have ended with Treanor's strike out. Instead, with two outs, Gonzalez walks to load the bases. A wild pitch and an error with the bases loaded allowed another 2 runs. Then Hanley hit his two run homer. My point is that the Marlins only legit run was Hanley's first homer.

And how did the Nats get their run? Oh yeah, a terrible call from an ump that cost us an extra base runner who ended up scoring.

 

 

And the other thing is that we managed to take advantage of these mistakes. Many times, we don't.

 

Umm... the Nats run came on Kearns lead-off homerun in the 5th inning.

 

I agree with everything else though.

 

Fanfish, one of the biggest parts of the game of baseball is taking advantage of opportunities. I definitely wouldn't say that the Nationals gave us this game. The 4 runs in the 8th were all earned, despite the errors. If Hanley grounds out, then the 2 runs remain unearned and then you can make the claim that Washington gave it away, but the fact is that Hanley still hits the homer.

 

That's the beauty of baseball!

[MarlinsMS_35]

I picked up Olsen yesterday for my fantasy team, and the move paid off!

[Rabbethan]

Olsen again impressive, seven innings with only one earned run.

Hanley again very impressive, two huge HR

Uggla seems to be coming out of his slump

Cantu is hitting better ( I think he feels the competition with Helms)

 

The Nationals, however, lost the game on defense.

In the first inning Zimmerman's bad throw let Uggla reach second and later score.

In the 8th, Lastings lost Ross's fly ball in the sun, which will be scored as a double, not an error. If he catches the ball, the inning would have ended with Treanor's strike out. Instead, with two outs, Gonzalez walks to load the bases. A wild pitch and an error with the bases loaded allowed another 2 runs. Then Hanley hit his two run homer. My point is that the Marlins only legit run was Hanley's first homer.

And how did the Nats get their run? Oh yeah, a terrible call from an ump that cost us an extra base runner who ended up scoring.

 

 

And the other thing is that we managed to take advantage of these mistakes. Many times, we don't.

 

Umm... the Nats run came on Kearns lead-off homerun in the 5th inning.

 

I agree with everything else though.

 

Fanfish, one of the biggest parts of the game of baseball is taking advantage of opportunities. I definitely wouldn't say that the Nationals gave us this game. The 4 runs in the 8th were all earned, despite the errors. If Hanley grounds out, then the 2 runs remain unearned and then you can make the claim that Washington gave it away, but the fact is that Hanley still hits the homer.

 

That's the beauty of baseball!

I'm sorry, I've been awake a really long time right now. You're right. I was thinking about how we maybe lost a run by the bad call at first, where we should have had runners at the corners with 0 outs.

[Trey05Marlins]

Great win to finish off a great home stand. We need to have a solid road trip. We should shoot for 4-3 at least. The midweek series against the Braves will be big.

[MarlinsLou]

that's 3 straight great starts from Olsen, and even his first start wasn't bad.

 

Maybe this is the season he starts putting it together.

It is very encouraging, but where are the strikeouts? The fly ball rate is scary too. I'm hoping each is a sample size blip and not the starting of a trend that will catch up to him and explode.

[30plus]

that's 3 straight great starts from Olsen, and even his first start wasn't bad.

 

Maybe this is the season he starts putting it together.

It is very encouraging, but where are the strikeouts? The fly ball rate is scary too. I'm hoping each is a sample size blip and not the starting of a trend that will catch up to him and explode.

 

That's something I notcied too, he definitely hasn't been striking out a whole bunch of guys but as long as contact translates into outs I'm happy. He still has the ability to go for the K if the situation calls for it, which is good news when you've got a runner on third with less than 2 outs. If some of those fly balls can become pop ups and groundouts, he'll be fine.

 

As far as I know he hasn't lost his ability to strike guys out. He has simply matured and learned how to pitch to contact which keeps his pitch count down, hence the 7 innings per start.

[Erick]

Positives

1. Scott Olsen continues to mature, and is quickly becoming the undisputed ace of this staff.

2. Hanley Ramirez...what can I say? Best player in the NL? At least Top 3. Awesome player, with an awesome day. 868 ft. on the 2 HR's combined.

3. Capitalizing on Washington's mistakes...all day long.

4. Taylor Tankersley proves to all of you why Freddi Gonzalez made that move on Friday. Comes back today, and redeems himself getting Nick Johnson to K, and then finishing it off with a K of Lopez. Kevin Gregg also looked better, today, which was good to see.

5. A clean game, defensively.

6. Dan Uggla is really starting to wake up, it seems.

 

Negatives

1. Hard to mention 1...we are still striking out too much...that's just, basically, the main negative.

[Tee Ball Bunt Machine]

Oly = Ace

 

2.60 ERA, 3-0, 0.98 WHIP

 

While I doubt he needed the motivation, I wonder if missing the opening day start gave Olsen anymore drive to make himself the ace of the staff. Either way, watching a grownup Scott Olsen is fun.

 

Uggla finally decided not to strike out today.

You should've been watching yesterday too, another 2 hit game with a walk.

[CYmarlins]

Olsen was tearing it up, great pitching performance. I also thought that Tank did a great job in the 8th inning to keep the lead. Nice that we were able to capitalize on the wildpitch and break it open with the Hanley HR.

 

Cody Ross got squeezed though on the play to first base, in which Aaron Boone was clearly OFF the bag.

[30plus]

Cody Ross got squeezed though on the play to first base, in which Aaron Boone was clearly OFF the bag.

 

The good news is that everything seems to even out in baseball as Cody got a double on a routine fly ball later in the game. He's still hitting on the interstate though....he needs to get going to give us that power threat off the bench again.

[BroncoBob27]

Scotty had me worried most of the game. He looked good, but he didn't seem to have the control like in his last start. Kept getting deep into counts. And he almost had a meltdown after giving up that dinger to Hearns. Wiley and Matt calmed him down. I gotta say, I like the New and Improved Scotty this year. Last year when teams would take their time at the plate just to slow him down it affected him. This year it dosen't seem to. He is becoming a pitcher and it is fun to watch him develope. Just like it was fun to watch Beckett develope.

 

I have no idea what was said on TV, but that "double" by Cody should have been a lesson to our OFers. That was a great bluff by Lastings. Had me fooled as I thought he had it all the way. Right until the very last second. It also temporarily saved a run as Cantu only got to 3B from 2B.

 

The wild pitch was kinda funny. The radio said Hanley backed away and looked like he was trying to figure out what was going on with all the guys suddenly around HP. Told the wife that and then said that wasn't the case, he was ticked because they were stealing ribbies from him. Then...POP. Man that ball carried. Never thought it had a chance, right up until it cleared the wall. What's even funnier is that at the start of that inning I said now is the time to pad this lead a little bit. I bought a lotto ticket on the way home.

[BroncoBob27]

that's 3 straight great starts from Olsen, and even his first start wasn't bad.

 

Maybe this is the season he starts putting it together.

It is very encouraging, but where are the strikeouts? The fly ball rate is scary too. I'm hoping each is a sample size blip and not the starting of a trend that will catch up to him and explode.

 

Strikeouts may be great for fantasy teams, but pitching to contact and trusting your defense is what keeps you going deep into games and piles up the innings as the season wears on. Also has a tendancy to keep you off the DL because you aren't throwing as hard as you can most of the time. An out is an out in the real world. I do prefer a gound ball pitcher, but as long as the pitcher keeps them guessing he will keep them in the park. Besides, if there is a stat for it check it out, because I would be willing to bet there were more ground balls than fly balls.

[Nny]

Scotty has a 52.9% FB rate (not good at all). 35.3% GB rate (low but he's not a gb pitcher anyway) and a 11.8% LD rate (very low, but that's a good thing for LD's haha).

 

The problem with the fly balls is that they can turn into home runs. It's not as big of a problem when pitching at home, but if he's doing that in Philly or Cincy it's a different story. There was several balls hit last game that probably would have been HRs in those parks. His HR/Fly is half of what it normally is. If/when that evens out, he'd be giving up HRs at a rate of 1.95 per 9 innings (f***ing huge).

 

There's definitely a need for caution but I'm hoping he stays his course.

[Out of the Past]

that's 3 straight great starts from Olsen, and even his first start wasn't bad.

 

Maybe this is the season he starts putting it together.

It is very encouraging, but where are the strikeouts? The fly ball rate is scary too. I'm hoping each is a sample size blip and not the starting of a trend that will catch up to him and explode.

 

Strikeouts may be great for fantasy teams, but pitching to contact and trusting your defense is what keeps you going deep into games and piles up the innings as the season wears on. Also has a tendancy to keep you off the DL because you aren't throwing as hard as you can most of the time. An out is an out in the real world. I do prefer a gound ball pitcher, but as long as the pitcher keeps them guessing he will keep them in the park. Besides, if there is a stat for it check it out, because I would be willing to bet there were more ground balls than fly balls.

I've never understood what exactly is meant by the pitch-to-contact theory. I guess it keeps you in games if they're hitting pop-ups and bouncers but if they're hitting line drives and hitting it over the fence then your defense wont be able to help you much and you'll get pounded.

[Tee Ball Bunt Machine]

I've never understood what exactly is meant by the pitch-to-contact theory. I guess it keeps you in games if they're hitting pop-ups and bouncers but if they're hitting line drives and hitting it over the fence then your defense wont be able to help you much and you'll get pounded.

It means throw strikes that they won't be able to make good contact with, whether that's a result of movement or the rotation of the ball or whatever. Olsen hasn't been giving up too many big line drives thus far.

 

As for the suggestion of his dependence on the park, I think it's too early to say anything like that. Remember that up til now, his best pitching performance this year is his start in DC, not at Joe Robbie.

[Nny]

DC is just as spacious as here.

 

Luckily most of the NL east are pitchers park.