Which would you keep?

Miller

miller......olsen hasn't showed me why he should stay.

Miller

why is it even a question if miller should stay?

 

hes a potential ace

"Which one would you keep" makes this a no brainer because... well... of course you would keep the young potential star in Miller who struck out the side today.

I'm honestly not that high on either, given the lack of consistency with both, but I'm willing to give Miller a bit more slack, all things considered. There's not a whole lot of good reason for why Olsen has failed to perform beyond the fact that he's just not that good. It was one thing when he was the #2 LHP in our rotation behind a still functional Dontrelle. Again, I would say Miller has had his moments, but then so has Olsen. And Oly has had some bad breaks, going deep into games with no run support. But at the end of the day, niether one has shown anything like the consistency we saw from JJ in 06 ( and now) or like Nolasco's dominance for the last few months.

 

Ideally I'd still like to wait and see with both, if perhaps they can put it together, but I'm foine dumping both once they begin to cost too much.

The vote right now is 9-0 in favor of Andrew Miller. I think too many people have voted for Scott Olsen....

Miller hands down.

The one that came in the Cameron maybin package, yea andrew miller.

One is a huge pitching prospect...the other one is Olsen.

I Love my Boy Scotty O

but he hasnet done well as a Marlin i hope he does great for whoever we trade him 2

 

A Millie is my BOY NOW

Olsen's new approach KINDA helped him.

 

He doesn't walk a lot of guys now.

 

However, his location is still bad sometimes.

 

And his lack of velocity that he's purposely taking off lends him to get hit hard at times.

 

What he doesn't understand is that guys like Moyer pitch like they do because they HAVE TO at that point in their career. Olsen is wasting his potential by trying to pitch like a man 15 years older than him.

Miller

Olsen would have a much better record had he got some RS. Miller has way more potential. But i said olsen thinking right now. But miller definently for the future. the one thing i like about olsen is he stays healthy which is always hard to find in a pitcher and is a good back of the rotation guy and if it wernt fo the money issue with olsen next yer id rather sanchez go else where or the pen and miller take his place. Shoulder sugery is so tricky and his stuff is ok but i just worry cause of the surgery.

Olsen would have a much better record had he got some RS. Miller has way more potential. But i said olsen thinking right now. But miller definently for the future. the one thing i like about olsen is he stays healthy which is always hard to find in a pitcher and is a good back of the rotation guy and if it wernt fo the money issue with olsen next yer id rather sanchez go else where or the pen and miller take his place. Shoulder sugery is so tricky and his stuff is ok but i just worry cause of the surgery.

 

 

the problem with Olsen is obviously the effectiveness of his pitches. It is so tough to rely on a guy who relies on location, because more than likely he could just leave an 88 MPH fastball over the middle of the plate and it becomes batting practice, Sanchez at least has some speed on that fastball and some effective secondary pitches (I know Olsen has a good changeup, but that is all)

Who would you keep?

 

Anyone not answering the question with Andrew Miller, does not know much about the game of baseball. This is not meant to offend anyone, but Scott Olsen is nothing but a junk-baller. Andrew Miller has all the tools to be a special special pitcher.

Olsen would have a much better record had he got some RS. Miller has way more potential. But i said olsen thinking right now. But miller definently for the future. the one thing i like about olsen is he stays healthy which is always hard to find in a pitcher and is a good back of the rotation guy and if it wernt fo the money issue with olsen next yer id rather sanchez go else where or the pen and miller take his place. Shoulder sugery is so tricky and his stuff is ok but i just worry cause of the surgery.

 

 

the problem with Olsen is obviously the effectiveness of his pitches. It is so tough to rely on a guy who relies on location, because more than likely he could just leave an 88 MPH fastball over the middle of the plate and it becomes batting practice, Sanchez at least has some speed on that fastball and some effective secondary pitches (I know Olsen has a good changeup, but that is all)

 

 

i feel like its a toss up between olsen and sanchez and since olsen will get the money he goes. I just down want us screwed with a garbage pitcher if sanchez goes down. I know he has better stuff but not by much i mean his FB averages 91 or 92. He does have the curve though.

Olsen would have a much better record had he got some RS. Miller has way more potential. But i said olsen thinking right now. But miller definently for the future. the one thing i like about olsen is he stays healthy which is always hard to find in a pitcher and is a good back of the rotation guy and if it wernt fo the money issue with olsen next yer id rather sanchez go else where or the pen and miller take his place. Shoulder sugery is so tricky and his stuff is ok but i just worry cause of the surgery.

 

 

the problem with Olsen is obviously the effectiveness of his pitches. It is so tough to rely on a guy who relies on location, because more than likely he could just leave an 88 MPH fastball over the middle of the plate and it becomes batting practice, Sanchez at least has some speed on that fastball and some effective secondary pitches (I know Olsen has a good changeup, but that is all)

 

 

i feel like its a toss up between olsen and sanchez and since olsen will get the money he goes. I just down want us screwed with a garbage pitcher if sanchez goes down. I know he has better stuff but not by much i mean his FB averages 91 or 92. He does have the curve though.

 

If u want to know what Anibal is capable of, look at his stats in 07 when he is fully healthy

 

114 IP 2.83 ERA 1.19 WHIP 72 K 46 BB

sanchez and olsen are at two different levels. sanchez has significantly higher upside. despite the fact that he so recently came back from being on the dl for one entire year after shoulder surgery, sanchez has pitched pretty well. in fact, not much worse than olsen. sanchy has four legit pitches, and he can throw all of them for strikes at any count when he's healthy.

 

sanchez>>>>>>>olsen

they both suck but i'd take miller because he might prove me wrong and become a very good pitcher

I would keep both.

 

Olsen has been inconsistent but he's not as bad as people on this board seem to think.

Right now his WHIP is better than Volstad or JJ or Sanchez. His BB/9 is less than Volstad or Sanchez. His OBA is 2nd among the starters, etc. He is durable. He tends to go deep in games even if he doesn't get the CG. His problem lately is giving up homers. Some people might argue that he gives up too many fly balls but so does Nolasco and he is dominating right now.

 

And to criticize him because he is trying to pitch like Moyer is silly. Moyer doesn't pitch that way because he's been around fifteen years. He's been around fifteen years because he pitches that way. Soft throwing lefties who locate their pitches are valuable and hard to find and hang around the league forever.

 

Finally, for all of Miller's electric stuff, he really hasn't shown that he can do it consistently at this level. To go into next season with him as our lone lefty starter is foolish if we can afford to keep Olsen. You're not going to find a comparale lefty out there for what Olsen is going to make next year.

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't be traded if we can upgrade some other position by doing so but just to dismiss him as useless is dumb.

And to criticize him because he is trying to pitch like Moyer is silly. Moyer doesn't pitch that way because he's been around fifteen years. He's been around fifteen years because he pitches that way. Soft throwing lefties who locate their pitches are valuable and hard to find and hang around the league forever.

 

That's not true at all. Moyer used to pitch in the 90's (mph, not the decade, though he did both).

Olsen would have a much better record had he got some RS. Miller has way more potential. But i said olsen thinking right now. But miller definently for the future. the one thing i like about olsen is he stays healthy which is always hard to find in a pitcher and is a good back of the rotation guy and if it wernt fo the money issue with olsen next yer id rather sanchez go else where or the pen and miller take his place. Shoulder sugery is so tricky and his stuff is ok but i just worry cause of the surgery.

 

 

the problem with Olsen is obviously the effectiveness of his pitches. It is so tough to rely on a guy who relies on location, because more than likely he could just leave an 88 MPH fastball over the middle of the plate and it becomes batting practice, Sanchez at least has some speed on that fastball and some effective secondary pitches (I know Olsen has a good changeup, but that is all)

 

 

i feel like its a toss up between olsen and sanchez and since olsen will get the money he goes. I just down want us screwed with a garbage pitcher if sanchez goes down. I know he has better stuff but not by much i mean his FB averages 91 or 92. He does have the curve though.

 

If u want to know what Anibal is capable of, look at his stats in 07 when he is fully healthy

 

114 IP 2.83 ERA 1.19 WHIP 72 K 46 BB

 

He was great in 06 i know. the surgery just worrys me most guy dont come back well and he hasnt done well since coming back he barley makes it to the 6th. And as far as locating pitches as of late hes the same as olsen neither can really locate and since his surgery i havent seen him locate well. I dont care about the stats before surgery im going with everything ive seen this year and hes done ok.

I would keep both.

 

Olsen has been inconsistent but he's not as bad as people on this board seem to think.

Right now his WHIP is better than Volstad or JJ or Sanchez. His BB/9 is less than Volstad or Sanchez. His OBA is 2nd among the starters, etc. He is durable. He tends to go deep in games even if he doesn't get the CG. His problem lately is giving up homers. Some people might argue that he gives up too many fly balls but so does Nolasco and he is dominating right now.

 

And to criticize him because he is trying to pitch like Moyer is silly. Moyer doesn't pitch that way because he's been around fifteen years. He's been around fifteen years because he pitches that way. Soft throwing lefties who locate their pitches are valuable and hard to find and hang around the league forever.

 

Finally, for all of Miller's electric stuff, he really hasn't shown that he can do it consistently at this level. To go into next season with him as our lone lefty starter is foolish if we can afford to keep Olsen. You're not going to find a comparale lefty out there for what Olsen is going to make next year.

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't be traded if we can upgrade some other position by doing so but just to dismiss him as useless is dumb.

 

To be fair, JJ and Sanchez are coming off of major surgeries. You have to expect their control to be bad sometimes and their WHIP to be high. And Volstad is a rookie, but he is still better than olsen.

 

And moyer wasnt always pitching in the low 80s. When he was younger( yes younger) he used to throw in the 90s. Olsen shouldnt do that. He has to take advantage of his velocity and throw it 93-94.

 

Miller has to much potential, so i wouldn be hesitant to bring him next year as our lone lefty.

 

If we could keep him, Id love to do it, because he's been pretty consistent. But he's gonna be in 3-4 Million dollar range next year, so we cant.