MLB77 - May I ask why in the world u suggested trading Andrew Miller in a package?!?!? He is a future ace and a major reason why we actually were willing to give up Cabrera.

 

Also why say we need another power bat in the middle of the lineup along with Hanley, Cantu and Uggla, when in the next line u say move Hanley back to leadoff? One or the other - what's it gonna be?

MLB77 - May I ask why in the world u suggested trading Andrew Miller in a package?!?!? He is a future ace and a major reason why we actually were willing to give up Cabrera.

 

Also why say we need another power bat in the middle of the lineup along with Hanley, Cantu and Uggla, when in the next line u say move Hanley back to leadoff? One or the other - what's it gonna be?

 

 

He wants Hanley batting twice in the lineup, clearly. =P

MLB77 - May I ask why in the world u suggested trading Andrew Miller in a package?!?!? He is a future ace and a major reason why we actually were willing to give up Cabrera.

 

Also why say we need another power bat in the middle of the lineup along with Hanley, Cantu and Uggla, when in the next line u say move Hanley back to leadoff? One or the other - what's it gonna be?

 

 

He wants Hanley batting twice in the lineup, clearly. =P

Hey I am all for that!

MLB77 - May I ask why in the world u suggested trading Andrew Miller in a package?!?!? He is a future ace and a major reason why we actually were willing to give up Cabrera.

 

Also why say we need another power bat in the middle of the lineup along with Hanley, Cantu and Uggla, when in the next line u say move Hanley back to leadoff? One or the other - what's it gonna be?

 

 

He wants Hanley batting twice in the lineup, clearly. =P

Hey I am all for that!

 

Can we clone him? =]

I'm so freakin' frustrated w/ this team, I say trade them all. Can't believe that a team can actually play so horribly. It's like a sinking ship full of holes. You can't just blame one of the holes.

 

Really, 450 pitches in two games? Speechless. Start by trading Cantu, replace him w/ Coghlan. Send Cantu somewhere and bring up Gabby. Get rid of Hermida. Lets start from the beginning and start building for 2012.

 

 

Serious??

We have a 31 year old poster wanting to trade away all our players, and another one who wants to trade Hanley Ramirez. All this after 44 games.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out how trading guys and benching others that are hitting and making things happen, then replacing them with guys that aren't, is going to help us.

He won't improve the team.He will dismantle the team again, lower payroll and get back prospects who don't live up to expectations.

 

 

i agree with this statement. and i cant believe some people on this board is even considering trading hanley...cmon people, do we really make the same mistake we made with miggy? hanley is one of the top players in the game...trading him would disasterous for the fans and organization. hanley, volstad and j.j. are off limits, anyone else can be traded, no prob.

He won't improve the team.He will dismantle the team again, lower payroll and get back prospects who don't live up to expectations.

 

 

i agree with this statement. and i cant believe some people on this board is even considering trading hanley...cmon people, do we really make the same mistake we made with miggy? hanley is one of the top players in the game...trading him would disasterous for the fans and organization. hanley, volstad and j.j. are off limits, anyone else can be traded, no prob.

 

If Loria is truly looking to purely trim payroll (which I don't think he is), then Hanley would be the first to go, having the largest contract and being the most easily unloaded. Now, as others have said, trading away our other players would be cost cutting (I don't think we are going to get someone with greater salary for our players, but we might not be getting straight up prospects), but I would think the main motivation would be to get better, somehow.

 

Call me naive, but Loria does seem like a baseball fan. He might not have the resources to be a baseball owner (in terms of salary), but he seems to hate to lose. What will be interesting to see is if the FO (who I do partially blame for the current downturn) abandons their vision of "speed, defense, pitching" and goes get some bashers. Or, they go out and get established SPDers. Beinfest's comments in the Sun-Sentinel make it seem like no moves are coming.

We have a 31 year old poster wanting to trade away all our players, and another one who wants to trade Hanley Ramirez. All this after 44 games.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out how trading guys and benching others that are hitting and making things happen, then replacing them with guys that aren't, is going to help us.

 

The goal is not to 'help us'. What they're talking about is strictly financial. Their theory is that there's no use keeping guys like Uggla and Cantu on the team who make "a lot" of money due to arbitration (and set to possibly make more) when they will A) Be traded sooner or later and B) can be replaced by prospects/minor leaguers.

 

Not saying I agree with that but that's what they're talking about...I think.

I can't believe the sheer nonsense being suggested by many in this thread.

 

The problem this team has is not solved by playing musical chairs. Getting rid of players that aren't doing well (Maybin) and exchanging them with unproven minor leaguers(Coghlan) is not the answer. The miracle that occurred in 2003 with Cabrera and Willis is not easily repeated.

 

If Loria really wanted positive changes he would open up his wallet a bit more now that he is getting his stadium relatively soon.

 

It is great to have a young talented team and to see them succeed with the lowest payroll in the mayors. That's part of the charm of this team, the "us against the world" feeling, the "look-at-us-now-after-you-dissed-us" claim.

 

But as we are painfully watching, it isn't going to happen without acquiring a costly free agent (or two) to plug the holes we have. Not everything can be fixed from "within the organization" as the front office usually says.

 

I am a very patient, passionate fan. I've backed this team and the ownership with my time and money for many, many years when loosing was both expected and accepted. But with the new stadium in the horizon I find myself demanding more from this team and this owner. The City of Miami and Miami-Dade County went out on the limb in these financially troubled times to give baseball a future in this area. I think it is time for the owner to take a few monetary risks and start contributing to the success of this team a little sooner than 2012. It may be too late for this season but getting a couple of well chosen top free agents over the winter would be a good start.

it seems that sabean is dangling cain as trade bait for a bat. do you think the marlins would offer uggla for him. we need pitching help with our fragile rotation that could crumble with the slightest injury.

The logic being employed here defies description.

 

At this very moment no one has more to lose by this team underachieving than ownership, try to understand that, a winning competitive ballclub right now is worth a hundred, a thousand times more than a failing, cut to the bone low cost one. From the bond community to vendors, skybox buyers and advertisers no one wants to make a substantial financial commitment (and those commitments need to be made "now" to be in the right place to profit off 2012) if the team is imploding and failing miserably and all their best known players sold off for unknown prospects regardless of their pedigrees.

 

edit: BTW, Uggla for Cain is a good example of the kind of trade they can make and profit from on and off the field as Cain is a player "now", a known commodity and we can debate whether it would be a good move, it's not one that is the type a lot of people here have previously suggested which is an Uggla for prospects no one (average fan) knows.

The logic being employed here defies description.

 

At this very moment no one has more to lose by this team underachieving than ownership, try to understand that, a winning competitive ballclub right now is worth a hundred, a thousand times more than a failing, cut to the bone low cost one. From the bond community to vendors, skybox buyers and advertisers no one wants to make a substantial financial commitment (and those commitments need to be made "now" to be in the right place to profit off 2012) if the team is imploding and failing miserably and all their best known players sold off for unknown prospects regardless of their pedigrees.

 

edit: BTW, Uggla for Cain is a good example of the kind of trade they can make and profit from on and off the field as Cain is a player "now", a known commodity and we can debate whether it would be a good move, it's not one that is the type a lot of people here have previously suggested which is an Uggla for prospects no one (average fan) knows.

 

I agree with saying a lot of these kids don't quite get it and their ideas of blowing up the team are ridiculous, but it's going to be really tough to trade Uggla, or anyone, to a 'contender' during the season and produce a MLB talent in return. The original team is going to need their MLB talent for their playoff hopes. Those are offseason moves, and if the idea is Loria wants to save $5 million by shedding Uggla, one of Hermida/Ross, and Amezaga at the deadline, we're going to have to go the prospect route more than likely. This is especially true if we use the Giants hypothetical who are going to live or die on their SP staff.

 

Trading with SF starts with Aldersen. And that would be an enormous win for the Marlins. He's MLB ready next year, and who gives a sh*t if people don't know who he is. When he comes up and murders people like Volstad, people will understand.

The logic being employed here defies description.

 

At this very moment no one has more to lose by this team underachieving than ownership, try to understand that, a winning competitive ballclub right now is worth a hundred, a thousand times more than a failing, cut to the bone low cost one. From the bond community to vendors, skybox buyers and advertisers no one wants to make a substantial financial commitment (and those commitments need to be made "now" to be in the right place to profit off 2012) if the team is imploding and failing miserably and all their best known players sold off for unknown prospects regardless of their pedigrees.

 

edit: BTW, Uggla for Cain is a good example of the kind of trade they can make and profit from on and off the field as Cain is a player "now", a known commodity and we can debate whether it would be a good move, it's not one that is the type a lot of people here have previously suggested which is an Uggla for prospects no one (average fan) knows.

 

I agree with saying a lot of these kids don't quite get it and their ideas of blowing up the team are ridiculous, but it's going to be really tough to trade Uggla, or anyone, to a 'contender' during the season and produce a MLB talent in return. The original team is going to need their MLB talent for their playoff hopes. Those are offseason moves, and if the idea is Loria wants to save $5 million by shedding Uggla, one of Hermida/Ross, and Amezaga at the deadline, we're going to have to go the prospect route more than likely. This is especially true if we use the Giants hypothetical who are going to live or die on their SP staff.

 

Trading with SF starts with Aldersen. And that would be an enormous win for the Marlins. He's MLB ready next year, and who gives a sh*t if people don't know who he is. When he comes up and murders people like Volstad, people will understand.

 

Trading for Alderson is fine as far as you are concerned and that's because you know who he is but when you're the Marlins who need to sell about $800 million in tickets, boxes, concession contracts and advertising before the doors open in 2012, trying cut a deal with Pepsi or the SoFla Chevrolet Dealers Assoc and you have to explain ten or twenty times a day why you traded "His name is Dan Uggla" for some kid with fifteen innings in AA under his belt the sale(s) get about 1000% harder, and these days every sale is precious.

 

$5 million is a p*sshole in the snow as we used to say in New England compared to the dollars at stake here, right now, in 2009. If we weren't marketing a stadium I would agree with you but right now the priority is on sales and name players "now" are needed to "fuel" those sales.

 

We'll know after the trade deadline but if they can right this ship and stay in it or close to stay in it, I still believe they will spend or do whatever they can to buy their way into the playoffs.

Getting Alderson from the Giants would be a huge win for the Marlins. But, I don't see why the Giants would trade a guy like that when they could get a Mark DeRosa or Ryan Garko from the Indians for much cheaper than a Uggla or Cantu. I hate the idea of the Marlins just trading to cut payroll again. Another thing......no way the Giants trade Matt Cain for anyone on the Marlins except Hanley Ramirez.

I'll be psyched if we trade Uggla for Cain and a propect or cash.

 

lol. I love how it's Cain, AND, a prospect. We would never ever ever get Cain for him.

 

We'd be lucky as all hell to get Tim Aldersen. And the Marlins would jump on that in 1 second if they could get him for Uggla.

You sir are underrating Uggla's trade value.

As an unselfish fan I'm all for trading Hanley especially if we can get some grade A pitching in return. Keeping him here is disastrous for his career. It's sad watching one of the best players in the majors get absolutely no recognition for his talent because his team is terrible. On top of that we have him batting 3rd in the lineup with no protection and even less RBI oppertunities. So trade him, allow him to flourish elsewhere, and get some top notch pitching in return. Everybody wins, even Hanley who I'm almost positive doesn't wish to be here

I will personally drive Hermida to the airport if that is what it takes to get rid of Half AS S Hermida

 

 

Hell yeah man. I'll pay for the gas lol

The idiot owner needs to go back to not spending money on this team, leave baseball decisions to people that are at least semi-knowledgable about things and shut up.

 

 

What do you expect on a shoestring budget?

I'll be psyched if we trade Uggla for Cain and a propect or cash.

 

lol. I love how it's Cain, AND, a prospect. We would never ever ever get Cain for him.

 

We'd be lucky as all hell to get Tim Aldersen. And the Marlins would jump on that in 1 second if they could get him for Uggla.

You sir are underrating Uggla's trade value.

 

 

Actually you've been overrating Uggla's trade value for awhile now. I remember you thinking I was a fool for even considering trading him a couple years back. Guess Retro was wrong on that one. Uggla is not a part of the long-term plan, nor was he ever a part of it...as I've always said.

If we were going to trade Uggla we should have done it over the winter when his value was high.

 

 

Trading him now would be mildly hilarious though.

As an unselfish fan I'm all for trading Hanley especially if we can get some grade A pitching in return. Keeping him here is disastrous for his career. It's sad watching one of the best players in the majors get absolutely no recognition for his talent because his team is terrible. On top of that we have him batting 3rd in the lineup with no protection and even less RBI oppertunities. So trade him, allow him to flourish elsewhere, and get some top notch pitching in return. Everybody wins, even Hanley who I'm almost positive doesn't wish to be here

 

 

 

He signed a long-term deal here, not to long ago.

As an unselfish fan I'm all for trading Hanley especially if we can get some grade A pitching in return. Keeping him here is disastrous for his career. It's sad watching one of the best players in the majors get absolutely no recognition for his talent because his team is terrible. On top of that we have him batting 3rd in the lineup with no protection and even less RBI oppertunities. So trade him, allow him to flourish elsewhere, and get some top notch pitching in return. Everybody wins, even Hanley who I'm almost positive doesn't wish to be here

 

 

 

He signed a long-term deal here, not to long ago.

 

 

the man loves money...

The logic being employed here defies description.

 

At this very moment no one has more to lose by this team underachieving than ownership, try to understand that, a winning competitive ballclub right now is worth a hundred, a thousand times more than a failing, cut to the bone low cost one. From the bond community to vendors, skybox buyers and advertisers no one wants to make a substantial financial commitment (and those commitments need to be made "now" to be in the right place to profit off 2012) if the team is imploding and failing miserably and all their best known players sold off for unknown prospects regardless of their pedigrees.

 

edit: BTW, Uggla for Cain is a good example of the kind of trade they can make and profit from on and off the field as Cain is a player "now", a known commodity and we can debate whether it would be a good move, it's not one that is the type a lot of people here have previously suggested which is an Uggla for prospects no one (average fan) knows.

 

I agree with saying a lot of these kids don't quite get it and their ideas of blowing up the team are ridiculous, but it's going to be really tough to trade Uggla, or anyone, to a 'contender' during the season and produce a MLB talent in return. The original team is going to need their MLB talent for their playoff hopes. Those are offseason moves, and if the idea is Loria wants to save $5 million by shedding Uggla, one of Hermida/Ross, and Amezaga at the deadline, we're going to have to go the prospect route more than likely. This is especially true if we use the Giants hypothetical who are going to live or die on their SP staff.

 

Trading with SF starts with Aldersen. And that would be an enormous win for the Marlins. He's MLB ready next year, and who gives a sh*t if people don't know who he is. When he comes up and murders people like Volstad, people will understand.

 

Trading for Alderson is fine as far as you are concerned and that's because you know who he is but when you're the Marlins who need to sell about $800 million in tickets, boxes, concession contracts and advertising before the doors open in 2012, trying cut a deal with Pepsi or the SoFla Chevrolet Dealers Assoc and you have to explain ten or twenty times a day why you traded "His name is Dan Uggla" for some kid with fifteen innings in AA under his belt the sale(s) get about 1000% harder, and these days every sale is precious.

 

$5 million is a p*sshole in the snow as we used to say in New England compared to the dollars at stake here, right now, in 2009. If we weren't marketing a stadium I would agree with you but right now the priority is on sales and name players "now" are needed to "fuel" those sales.

 

We'll know after the trade deadline but if they can right this ship and stay in it or close to stay in it, I still believe they will spend or do whatever they can to buy their way into the playoffs.

 

 

The Marlins traded Cabrera for prospects. I'm sure they'd have no problem doing it with Uggla. If it's right for the long-term of the organization, they should/will do it.

 

It doesn't really matter with the fairweather fans down here. The only thing that matters is winning. To win you need pitching (and it's clear the front office knows this, hence the reason they're always mentioning pitching first)...a guy like Alderson would immediately improve our pitching depth in the minors, and would become part of the future core.

 

Anyway you slice it, Uggla won't be here much longer. The sad part is that his replacement at 2B will be Bonifacio. Aside from that, I really don't mind, assuming we'll get solid value in return.

Well Emilio is at least a damn good second baseman.