August 15, 200917 yr wow looking at pujol vs hanley and pujol is the clear MVP.hANLEY ONLY LEAD HIM in average and stolen bs. You sir are an idiot. He is not the "clear" MVP.
August 15, 200917 yr I can't see us winning any of those. I think CC has the best shot if he just keeps his recent explosion up. Totaly agree Rabb! JJ and Hamley will be Honerable mentions not even runner ups. Fredi doesn't even deserve to be mentioned ... You gotta look at the Job La Russa and Torre have done even Bochy dude what you mean not runner ups?do you know what you are talking about.You making it seems like it isnt even close.Freddi automatically gets the CDOTY award if we make the playoffs and JJ is battling now Cain for the 2nd spot.Once he overtakes him the race gets tighter with robotic tim lincicum.In the other side haslem is having as good if not better season than pujol.If he keeps it up and the marlins make the PO,it'll be closer than you think sh*t, I didn't know Udonis can swing the stick. :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
August 15, 200917 yr Only awards that the Marlins could win this season are possibly a ROTY For Coghlan, Hanley will win a Silver Slugger and possibly the NL Batting Title and lastly if we make the Playoffs Freddi has a good chance of NL Winning Manager of the Year. Linccecum or Cain will probably win the Cy Young and Pujols with the MVP.
August 15, 200917 yr wow looking at pujol vs hanley and pujol is the clear MVP.hANLEY ONLY LEAD HIM in average and stolen bs. You sir are an idiot. He is not the "clear" MVP. really? lets see who is dumber you or me pujol is a terrific defender so has hanley this season so advantage both even though hanley plays a harder position pujol in less ABs 21 more homers than hanley 19 more runs 47 more walks 27 less strikeouts 41 more total bases higher OBP and SLG% hanley in more ABs 11 more SBs average higher by 27 points thats all in other words hanley's high average is the reason pujol isnt winning the 3ple crown.You are an idiot for even calling me stupid
August 15, 200917 yr I can't see us winning any of those. I think CC has the best shot if he just keeps his recent explosion up. Totaly agree Rabb! JJ and Hamley will be Honerable mentions not even runner ups. Fredi doesn't even deserve to be mentioned ... You gotta look at the Job La Russa and Torre have done even Bochy dude what you mean not runner ups?do you know what you are talking about.You making it seems like it isnt even close.Freddi automatically gets the CDOTY award if we make the playoffs and JJ is battling now Cain for the 2nd spot.Once he overtakes him the race gets tighter with robotic tim lincicum.In the other side haslem is having as good if not better season than pujol.If he keeps it up and the marlins make the PO,it'll be closer than you think Lincecum, Cain, and Carpenter are all ahead of Johnson in the race right now. At best, he will probably finish 4th, but someone like Cliff Lee could sneak ahead of him if he keeps dominating. Hanley deserves the MVP, but unfortunately I think we all know Pujols is going to get it. Voters probably won't take into consideration that there are many great hitting first basemen in the MLB, and Hanley is by far the best shortstop in the MLB. Hell even Adam Wainwright is ahead of JJ right now. He has more wins and a better ERA. I was looking at the numbers earlier and was surprised I never heard wainwright's name brought up. Hypothetically speaking, we take the east, the dodgers the west, the cards the central, and the giants the WC, you're looking at these pitchers pitching the first two games of the NL playoffs: Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw. Only two of those 8 pitchers have an ERA 3 or higher (Billingsley and Nolasco), everyone else is 2.xx. That'd be crazy entertaining playoffs. edit: if phillies keep division, and we take WC, so replace giants with phillies, that could still happen with Lee and Happ (although I doubt Happ stays under 3, and I doubt they send happ over Hamels)
August 15, 200917 yr wow looking at pujol vs hanley and pujol is the clear MVP.hANLEY ONLY LEAD HIM in average and stolen bs. You sir are an idiot. He is not the "clear" MVP. really? lets see who is dumber you or me pujol is a terrific defender so has hanley this season so advantage both even though haslem plays a harder position pujol in less ABs 21 more homers than hanley 19 more runs 47 more walks 27 less strikeouts 41 more total bases higher OBP and SLG% hanley in more ABs 11 more SBs average higher by 27 points thats all in other words hanley's high average is the reason pujol isnt winning the 3ple crown.You are an idiot for even calling me stupid Pujols plays 1B and Hanley plays SS. That's why there's an argument. Now then, I agree that Pujols should be it but to say that he's "clearly" the MVP is a bit shortsighted.
August 15, 200917 yr wow looking at pujol vs hanley and pujol is the clear MVP.hANLEY ONLY LEAD HIM in average and stolen bs. You sir are an idiot. He is not the "clear" MVP. really? lets see who is dumber you or me pujol is a terrific defender so has hanley this season so advantage both even though haslem plays a harder position pujol in less ABs 21 more homers than hanley 19 more runs 47 more walks 27 less strikeouts 41 more total bases higher OBP and SLG% hanley in more ABs 11 more SBs average higher by 27 points thats all in other words hanley's high average is the reason pujol isnt winning the 3ple crown.You are an idiot for even calling me stupid Pujols plays 1B and Hanley plays SS. That's why there's an argument. Now then, I agree that Pujols should be it but to say that he's "clearly" the MVP is a bit shortsighted. You know what's scary? Pujols's BABIP is 30 points under his career norm. You could make the argument his 1.133 OPS is him underperforming lol.
August 15, 200917 yr I can't see us winning any of those. I think CC has the best shot if he just keeps his recent explosion up. Totaly agree Rabb! JJ and Hamley will be Honerable mentions not even runner ups. Fredi doesn't even deserve to be mentioned ... You gotta look at the Job La Russa and Torre have done even Bochy dude what you mean not runner ups?do you know what you are talking about.You making it seems like it isnt even close.Freddi automatically gets the CDOTY award if we make the playoffs and JJ is battling now Cain for the 2nd spot.Once he overtakes him the race gets tighter with robotic tim lincicum.In the other side haslem is having as good if not better season than pujol.If he keeps it up and the marlins make the PO,it'll be closer than you think Lincecum, Cain, and Carpenter are all ahead of Johnson in the race right now. At best, he will probably finish 4th, but someone like Cliff Lee could sneak ahead of him if he keeps dominating. Hanley deserves the MVP, but unfortunately I think we all know Pujols is going to get it. Voters probably won't take into consideration that there are many great hitting first basemen in the MLB, and Hanley is by far the best shortstop in the MLB. Hanley's OPS+ is 29 points over the next SS. Pujols' OPS is 32 points over the next 1B. Pujols is so much better than the other players there, at least as good as Hanley is at his position.
August 15, 200917 yr wow looking at pujol vs hanley and pujol is the clear MVP.hANLEY ONLY LEAD HIM in average and stolen bs. You sir are an idiot. He is not the "clear" MVP. really? lets see who is dumber you or me pujol is a terrific defender so has hanley this season so advantage both even though haslem plays a harder position pujol in less ABs 21 more homers than hanley 19 more runs 47 more walks 27 less strikeouts 41 more total bases higher OBP and SLG% hanley in more ABs 11 more SBs average higher by 27 points thats all in other words hanley's high average is the reason pujol isnt winning the 3ple crown.You are an idiot for even calling me stupid Pujols plays 1B and Hanley plays SS. That's why there's an argument. Now then, I agree that Pujols should be it but to say that he's "clearly" the MVP is a bit shortsighted. You know what's scary? Pujols's BABIP is 30 points under his career norm. You could make the argument his 1.133 OPS is him underperforming lol. He's just a ridiculously good baseball player. Me and PWG were looking at his splits a while back and we couldn't find a single hole in his game.
August 15, 200917 yr He's just a ridiculously good baseball player. Me and PWG were looking at his splits a while back and we couldn't find a single hole in his game. He's really Unhuman, hints why ESPN gave him the nickname "The Machine". One of the best pure baseball talents MLB has had in a while and I pray that he isn't on steroids or PEDs so this Era of Baseball has it's own Legendary hitter of the Century.
August 15, 200917 yr He's just a ridiculously good baseball player. Me and PWG were looking at his splits a while back and we couldn't find a single hole in his game. He's really Unhuman, hints why ESPN gave him the nickname "The Machine". One of the best pure baseball talents MLB has had in a while and I pray that he isn't on steroids or PEDs so this Era of Baseball has it's own Legendary hitter of the Century. I don't think hes using now but he was linked to a banned trainer the same one who trained Arod.
August 15, 200917 yr lets say hanley was in the wrong league or year and move on lol.St Louis is a bigger market than us and that is what writers care about.Hanley is only 24 years old and they will tell how hanley will have a chance later on.If we win the division i think and know for a fact that hanley should not be robbed of the MVP.St Louis is 10 times better than us and we are overachiving because of hanley and JJ and if we beat the champions out for the division for the 1st time in marlins history that will create alot of buzz around the league the least we can expect is co-MVP
August 15, 200917 yr I can't see us winning any of those. I think CC has the best shot if he just keeps his recent explosion up. Totaly agree Rabb! JJ and Hamley will be Honerable mentions not even runner ups. Fredi doesn't even deserve to be mentioned ... You gotta look at the Job La Russa and Torre have done even Bochy dude what you mean not runner ups?do you know what you are talking about.You making it seems like it isnt even close.Freddi automatically gets the CDOTY award if we make the playoffs and JJ is battling now Cain for the 2nd spot.Once he overtakes him the race gets tighter with robotic tim lincicum.In the other side haslem is having as good if not better season than pujol.If he keeps it up and the marlins make the PO,it'll be closer than you think Lincecum, Cain, and Carpenter are all ahead of Johnson in the race right now. At best, he will probably finish 4th, but someone like Cliff Lee could sneak ahead of him if he keeps dominating. Hanley deserves the MVP, but unfortunately I think we all know Pujols is going to get it. Voters probably won't take into consideration that there are many great hitting first basemen in the MLB, and Hanley is by far the best shortstop in the MLB. Hell even Adam Wainwright is ahead of JJ right now. He has more wins and a better ERA. I was looking at the numbers earlier and was surprised I never heard wainwright's name brought up. Hypothetically speaking, we take the east, the dodgers the west, the cards the central, and the giants the WC, you're looking at these pitchers pitching the first two games of the NL playoffs: Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw. Only two of those 8 pitchers have an ERA 3 or higher (Billingsley and Nolasco), everyone else is 2.xx. That'd be crazy entertaining playoffs. edit: if phillies keep division, and we take WC, so replace giants with phillies, that could still happen with Lee and Happ (although I doubt Happ stays under 3, and I doubt they send happ over Hamels) Dan Haren, too.
August 15, 200917 yr I know it doesn't work this way because the MVP is usually a popularity contest(among qualified candidates of course) but it is called most valuable player. Is Albert as valuable to the Cards as Hanley is to the Marlins? I say no. He's a beast no doubt, and is worthy of consideration, but Hanley for stretches(especially May-June) has been the only .300 hitter on the Fish and almost all of the offensive threat on this team. If Hanley keeps it up, wins the batting title and the Fish make the playoffs he should win it. Otherwise, Albert should. As for the other awards, Fredi is dependent on making the playoffs, CC has a shot if he continues to tear it up and finishes strong, and JJ I don't see happening, unless a case of the sucks hits Lincecum and the other guys.
August 15, 200917 yr I know it doesn't work this way because the MVP is usually a popularity contest(among qualified candidates of course) but it is called most valuable player. Is Albert as valuable to the Cards as Hanley is to the Marlins? I say no. He's a beast no doubt, and is worthy of consideration, but Hanley for stretches(especially May-June) has been the only .300 hitter on the Fish and almost all of the offensive threat on this team. If Hanley keeps it up, wins the batting title and the Fish make the playoffs he should win it. Otherwise, Albert should. As for the other awards, Fredi is dependent on making the playoffs, CC has a shot if he continues to tear it up and finishes strong, and JJ I don't see happening, unless a case of the sucks hits Lincecum and the other guys. Although it is called MVP, it really doesn't go to the most valuable player. I always think of it as the Offensive Player of the Year Award. I mean if the award really went to the most valuable player, it would've gone to C.C Sabathia last season easily. You could make a case for Matt Holliday having a huge impact on the Cardinals and is deserving of the title of Most Valuable. Hanley is having the 2nd best offensive season in the NL to Pujols, but he doesn't have the media drooling over him like they do with Pujols, and Pujols is on the division leader in a much bigger market. As for the Manager of the Year, it is a fight between Torre and La Russa. Tony La Russa and Joe Torre have been given a lot of pieces, but they are both leading their respective teams to great records. Torre helped the Dodgers survive the period when they were without Manny, and have been in control of that division since day 1. La Russa is managing arguably the best player in baseball, one of the best utility guys in baseball, a player who is hitting over .400 while with the Cardinals, and one of the best rotations in all of baseball and based on ERA the best 1-2-3 pitchers in baseball. Fredi obviously will get recognition for the payroll constraints he is managing under, but this doesn't seem like the year for Fredi to win. Chris Coghlan has a long way to go before he catches up to the super demon that is Andrew McCutchen and even a guy like J.A Happ is ahead of CC. I do believe CC is in the top 5 though, not much higher. As for JJ and the Cy Young, if you saw Lincecum's numbers and the streaks he has put together, there is no arguing that he more than deserves the back to back Cy Young Awards. Hell he deserves more than just a Cy Young Award for the type of year he is putting together. JJ probably is in the top 10, maybe the top 5, but more likely 6 or 7th in the voting.
August 15, 200917 yr I know it doesn't work this way because the MVP is usually a popularity contest(among qualified candidates of course) but it is called most valuable player. Is Albert as valuable to the Cards as Hanley is to the Marlins? I say no. He's a beast no doubt, and is worthy of consideration, but Hanley for stretches(especially May-June) has been the only .300 hitter on the Fish and almost all of the offensive threat on this team. If Hanley keeps it up, wins the batting title and the Fish make the playoffs he should win it. Otherwise, Albert should. As for the other awards, Fredi is dependent on making the playoffs, CC has a shot if he continues to tear it up and finishes strong, and JJ I don't see happening, unless a case of the sucks hits Lincecum and the other guys. Pujols- 6.3 WAR Hanley- 5.9 WAR Not the biggest fan of the stat, but it's decent in judging value.
August 15, 200917 yr He's just a ridiculously good baseball player. Me and PWG were looking at his splits a while back and we couldn't find a single hole in his game. and his name has never been linked to any steroid allegations as far as I know, which (depending on your opinion) makes it even more impressive. As far as the Cy Young goes though, you never know when a pitcher might get hammered in an outing, the way Nolasco did the other night. That's all it takes to push someone's ERA up a half run or so, that could make the difference when it's all done. I think they probably pay more attention to win-loss and ERA than anything else. I doubt any Marlins win those awards, but always good to see we've got contenders.
August 15, 200917 yr Author Your Crazy Maybe a little... haha Just for the record (Cus I know how things go on these boards!), I never said we would take them all. Just commented that it's great to have a legitimate player in each category's discussion. And yes, I can care less about these awards - make the playoffs and I'm one happy Fish fan!
August 15, 200917 yr Your Crazy And just to be an ass, I believe it's spelled "You're". But I could be wrong......lol :lol
August 15, 200917 yr If hanley can put some more in the seats he might have a chance to catch Pujols.
August 16, 200917 yr I know it doesn't work this way because the MVP is usually a popularity contest(among qualified candidates of course) but it is called most valuable player. Is Albert as valuable to the Cards as Hanley is to the Marlins? I say no. He's a beast no doubt, and is worthy of consideration, but Hanley for stretches(especially May-June) has been the only .300 hitter on the Fish and almost all of the offensive threat on this team. If Hanley keeps it up, wins the batting title and the Fish make the playoffs he should win it. Otherwise, Albert should. As for the other awards, Fredi is dependent on making the playoffs, CC has a shot if he continues to tear it up and finishes strong, and JJ I don't see happening, unless a case of the sucks hits Lincecum and the other guys. Since Holliday came to STL I doubt it still is like this, but previously if you removed Pujols from the STL line up, and Hanley from the FLA line up, the STL line up had a lot bigger drop in OPS and went down lower than the Padres. Pujols was completely carrying that offense earlier in the season. We have issues but Hanley doesn't completely carry us. Especially with NJ now. Pujols is the most valuable player to he's teams production in the NL.
August 16, 200917 yr I still think JJ has the best shot at any of the awards. But like y'all said, he has to stay near perfect the rest of the way, and if he continues to pitch the way he has as of late, he'll be there at the end. Pujols is obviously going to get the MVP, although Prince is making up ground.
August 16, 200917 yr JJ has been sensational but There is a little runt out there in SF who won the Cy Young last year and he wasn't pitching half as good as he is right now. That dweeb is just amazing! At this moment I see the pecking order as 1.Lincecum 2.Wainwright 3.Cain 4.JJ... No dishonor there ( JJ maybe over Cain) At best JJ would be 3rd
August 16, 200917 yr JJ has been sensational but There is a little runt out there in SF who won the Cy Young last year and he wasn't pitching half as good as he is right now. That dweeb is just amazing! At this moment I see the pecking order as 1.Lincecum 2.Wainwright 3.Cain 4.JJ... No dishonor there ( JJ maybe over Cain) At best JJ would be 3rd
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