Posted July 9, 201014 yr I know the big log jam to me is what to do with either player. Gaby seemed to be a good player. His hitting is above average but his defense is average at best. I'd like to move him to 3B but I know I've read a lot of posts from this board that he's 1B only. That's a problem. I like Morrison's potential more but how can you go on that over what Gaby is doing? He does have a history of hitting above average in the minors and has brought that consistency in the majors. Seems like a big decision looming to make and hope the FO doesn't screw it up.
July 9, 201014 yr Both. You trade Jorge, move CC back to his native position of 3B, and put Logan in LF.
July 9, 201014 yr Author that is the million dollar question. Then who plays 2nd if we trade Uggla? Stop gap with Boni? What is better, CC at 2nd or 3rd? I'm assuming 2nd because he came through the system as a 2nd baseman.
July 9, 201014 yr Both. You trade Jorge, move CC back to his native position of 3B, and put Logan in LF.  DING DING DING DING DINGGGGGG
July 9, 201014 yr that is the million dollar question. Then who plays 2nd if we trade Uggla? Stop gap with Boni? What is better, CC at 2nd or 3rd? I'm assuming 2nd because he came through the system as a 2nd baseman. If Uggla goes by next season, the Marlins can take their pick of putting Coghlan at 2nd or 3rd. Based on what we've been hearing lately, it will most likely be 2nd. Then they would have to acquire an inexpensive third baseman (or they might pull a Bonifacio) until Dominguez starts hitting.
July 9, 201014 yr Both. You trade Jorge, move CC back to his native position of 3B, and put Logan in LF.  I would like to see if Gaby could play LF before doing that. Logan has the far better glove at 1B and I would hate to see that go to waste. Defensively speaking 1B is a pretty important position. Just ask the rest of the IFers.
July 9, 201014 yr Both. You trade Jorge, move CC back to his native position of 3B, and put Logan in LF.  I would like to see if Gaby could play LF before doing that. Logan has the far better glove at 1B and I would hate to see that go to waste. Defensively speaking 1B is a pretty important position. Just ask the rest of the IFers. If this were the case (Gaby could play LF), wouldn't we have Gaby at LF, Cantu at 1B and CC at 3B?  My guess is Logan would play LF, Cogs at 3B and either Cantu or Uggs at 2B.
July 9, 201014 yr I'd like Morrison to play 1B if his defense is as good as they say, but Gaby would probably be terrible at LF. I guess you try them both out in LF next Spring Training and see where each of them go. If Gaby is average at LF, then I'm sure they'd make the move - but if he's anything below average then it wouldn't make much sense to move him from a position where he hasn't done terribly in.
July 9, 201014 yr Gaby's UZR is 4.6. Which is good for 8th in baseball. And let's say this is a sample size, and he goes straight to 0. That's good for 14th in baseball.  People need to get over this "Gaby is bad defensively, Morrison is the savior" shtick. The kid isn't Glaus (-10), Fielder (-7), or Cabrera (-10) out there (those numbers are as of now, imagine by the end of the year despite their offense). He is a good solid bat, and is fielding well above average. The longterm sample size might change this once he starts going 3rd and 4th time through the league on pitchers, and another thousand innings at 1B, but he has done nothing to move him. Saying Logan has a "far better glove" is praying for projection, rather than actual performance. The grass is always greener to some of you. How about Logan come up and push Gaby from his position. Not move around the guy, who has done nothing but be a top 3 hitter on the team this year. Everyone should be thrilled Gaby is meeting the high end of his projection, as a low .830s hitter versus a .775 guy. Everyone should be thrilled he is fielding well. Everyone should be thrilled Morrison is awesome, and has the ability to play LF and is "more progressed than where Coghlan was when he started" according to Edwin. Jesus H Christ moving Gaby to LF is the worst idea I have ever heard on this board. If anything, you see if he can play passable at 3B, which would really really help next year if they get rid of Uggla and Coghlan has to play 2B, but LF? That is 100% idiotic. He has no chance of lasting there, unlike Logan who might actually suit out there like a Conor Jackson. Just mind boggling stupidity. Let's put Coghlan in CF to make room for Morrison when we trade Cody? facepalm
July 9, 201014 yr I have certainly been outspoken on keeping Uggla. CC is an infielder, and I am of the opinion that Dan can play 3B (if there is no desire to use CC at 3B) based upon my observation of his defensive play. Cantu is the only guy I currently want to see moved from our lineup. Just as I said after last season, this team needs to spend money on legitimate back of the bullpen guys and bench players. The Braves brought in Saito, Wagner, and Hinske and they are in first place on the strength of their bench and pen. The Marlins could have retained Gload and/or Calero and brought in a couple of FA solid relief guys and would be far higher up in the standings. The team would still be one of the bottom 5 payroll teams and be looking at playoff contention
July 9, 201014 yr That is 100% idiotic. Lust mind boggling stupidity. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  awesome.
July 9, 201014 yr I have certainly been outspoken on keeping Uggla. CC is an infielder, and I am of the opinion that Dan can play 3B (if there is no desire to use CC at 3B) based upon my observation of his defensive play. Cantu is the only guy I currently want to see moved from our lineup. Just as I said after last season, this team needs to spend money on legitimate back of the bullpen guys and bench players. The Braves brought in Saito, Wagner, and Hinske and they are in first place on the strength of their bench and pen. The Marlins could have retained Gload and/or Calero and brought in a couple of FA solid relief guys and would be far higher up in the standings. The team would still be one of the bottom 5 payroll teams and be looking at playoff contention Gload is having a bad year off the bench, as often happens, and Kiko isn't even playing in the bigs.
July 9, 201014 yr I'm sort of saying this in a vacuum, it's neither an endorsement of anything above or an indictment either. Just simply that if Uggla thought at this point in the season with the offensive season he's having, that talk he spouted this spring about not being willing or being very reluctant to move to third was more posturing to nix a trade and/or to keep his value up as a second baseman with power, he would now move to third in a heartbeat if he thought it would get the team that much closer to the playoffs. I don't have any doubt Uggla would play third about as well as he plays second, and if you can live with that, which is another question in itself, you have to ask yourself if all the moving around is worth it.
July 10, 201014 yr I'm sort of saying this in a vacuum, it's neither an endorsement of anything above or an indictment either. Just simply that if Uggla thought at this point in the season with the offensive season he's having, that talk he spouted this spring about not being willing or being very reluctant to move to third was more posturing to nix a trade and/or to keep his value up as a second baseman with power, he would now move to third in a heartbeat if he thought it would get the team that much closer to the playoffs. I don't have any doubt Uggla would play third about as well as he plays second, and if you can live with that, which is another question in itself, you have to ask yourself if all the moving around is worth it. I think it's worth it for two reasons, and I just mean moving around not Uggla to third 1 - Coghlan has to get out of LF and to 2B or 3B. I don't care which. If they sign Uggla for 4 years, Coghlan can play 3B and if Dominguez turns into a better player, we can trade Coghlan. If they want to move Uggla, just put Coghlan to 2B already. But Coghlan is not an outfielder, its a cute experiment to get his bat in the lineup and it worked amazing last year, but it's time to put him where he belongs. 2 - This team needs another lefty hitter badly. Morrison may not crank 20 HR for a few seasons, but all indications point to him being patient and a tough out. It would vary up the lineup a bit, and the Marlins need that. It's not like Cantu is doing anything special. I don't see this is a total youth movement. I see this as, they need to do something drastic to make up ground, and the best bet is to hope to god Stanton, Morrison, West, Meyer, Sanabia, Maybin, and Volstad, all show up in 2 weeks doing what their projections say they can do. And if it doesn't work? Trade out Cantu, Ross, and Nate Rob for pitching, and if you get good deals, move out Uggla, Nolasco, and Nunez (I really stress good deals, like someone desperate and just sells the farm). It'll be an exciting 3 weeks at least.
July 10, 201014 yr Gload is having a bad year off the bench, as often happens, and Kiko isn't even playing in the bigs.  I forgot, everything is always the same when players move. Gload getting about half the playing time he was in Florida probably has no effect on his performance. It is possible that Kiko could have gone south without the change of scenery, but that doesn't mean we should have dropped one of our more reliable bullpen guys because he cost more than the price of a Happy Meal. None of this changes the fact the team should have also acquired a couple of quality bullpen arms, despite how big of a waste of money some folks seem to think that might be.
July 10, 201014 yr Helms was terrible after he left the '06 season then he returns and he is very productive off the bench. Vets seem to play well with these guys, including Luis Gonzalez.
July 10, 201014 yr Helms was terrible after he left the '06 season then he returns and he is very productive off the bench. Vets seem to play well with these guys, including Luis Gonzalez.  Like Mike Lamb and Brian Barden?
July 10, 201014 yr Gload is having a bad year off the bench, as often happens, and Kiko isn't even playing in the bigs. It is possible that Kiko could have gone south without the change of scenery, but that doesn't mean we should have dropped one of our more reliable bullpen guys because he cost more than the price of a Happy Meal.  Actually in the case of Calero I think the Marlins did him a favor in not going public with what they knew at the end of the season, which was Calero's shoulder was a structural mess and let him go sign somewhere else if he could, and in fact he did. They could have made a big deal out of it and defended themselves in the media when the usual group of know-it-alls called them on the carpet for not re-signing the guy making the usual cheapskate accusations, instead they kept their mouths shut and took their undeserved media tongue-lashing out of loyalty to the guy. The Marlins aren't always saints but in Calero's case I think they did the right thing by the guy.
July 10, 201014 yr Gaby's UZR is 4.6. Which is good for 8th in baseball. And let's say this is a sample size, and he goes straight to 0. That's good for 14th in baseball.  People need to get over this "Gaby is bad defensively, Morrison is the savior" shtick. The kid isn't Glaus (-10), Fielder (-7), or Cabrera (-10) out there (those numbers are as of now, imagine by the end of the year despite their offense). He is a good solid bat, and is fielding well above average. The longterm sample size might change this once he starts going 3rd and 4th time through the league on pitchers, and another thousand innings at 1B, but he has done nothing to move him. Saying Logan has a "far better glove" is praying for projection, rather than actual performance. The grass is always greener to some of you. How about Logan come up and push Gaby from his position. Not move around the guy, who has done nothing but be a top 3 hitter on the team this year. Everyone should be thrilled Gaby is meeting the high end of his projection, as a low .830s hitter versus a .775 guy. Everyone should be thrilled he is fielding well. Everyone should be thrilled Morrison is awesome, and has the ability to play LF and is "more progressed than where Coghlan was when he started" according to Edwin. Jesus H Christ moving Gaby to LF is the worst idea I have ever heard on this board. If anything, you see if he can play passable at 3B, which would really really help next year if they get rid of Uggla and Coghlan has to play 2B, but LF? That is 100% idiotic. He has no chance of lasting there, unlike Logan who might actually suit out there like a Conor Jackson. Just mind boggling stupidity. Let's put Coghlan in CF to make room for Morrison when we trade Cody? facepalm Awesome post. Gaby's +/- has been as high as 4 this season, which is pretty damn good. And it's really only one person who adheres to the "Gaby is bad defensively, Morrison is the savior" philosophy and everyone else here just rolls their eyes when they see it.
July 10, 201014 yr Helms was terrible after he left the '06 season then he returns and he is very productive off the bench. Vets seem to play well with these guys, including Luis Gonzalez.  Like Mike Lamb and Brian Barden? Lamb is a case of being done, and Barden was simply never good and actually has less experience than most guys on the team. Hardly what I'd call a veteran.
July 10, 201014 yr Both. You trade Jorge, move CC back to his native position of 3B, and put Logan in LF.  I would like to see if Gaby could play LF before doing that. Logan has the far better glove at 1B and I would hate to see that go to waste. Defensively speaking 1B is a pretty important position. Just ask the rest of the IFers. If this were the case (Gaby could play LF), wouldn't we have Gaby at LF, Cantu at 1B and CC at 3B?  My guess is Logan would play LF, Cogs at 3B and either Cantu or Uggs at 2B. Because Gaby won the 1B job and has never played LF before. And it very well could be Logan to LF if the team feels Gaby couldn't handle the position. I have no idea if he can or not. It's just an idea I would like to see experimented with in the off season and/or ST next year. I prefer to better our defense next season instead of spinning our wheels and being near the bottom of the ML list in it, and Logan is an upgrade (I consider a big upgrade) at 1B, while at the same time keeping Gaby's bat in the line up. Much like The U did moving him from 3B to 1B.
July 10, 201014 yr I'd like Morrison to play 1B if his defense is as good as they say, but Gaby would probably be terrible at LF. I guess you try them both out in LF next Spring Training and see where each of them go. If Gaby is average at LF, then I'm sure they'd make the move - but if he's anything below average then it wouldn't make much sense to move him from a position where he hasn't done terribly in.  Not a problem here. Except I would send him off to Winter Ball for a while first and let him have a try at it. Dosen't have to play the entire season. Just let him get some starts in and see how he looks.
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