This is the Worst Bullpen in Marlins History

[Eddie Altamonte]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

[marlinsown]

I totally agree.

[SilverBullet]

Im gonna be the voice of reason here. Our bullpen has improved. Nunez, Hensley, Sanches, and an improved Veras have shown they can get people out. Thats 4 of a traditional 7-man pen. Badenhop is capable but has to reprove himself. Thats 5. Tank is solid against lefties, just so happens that he cant get righties out. Then Sosa is just standing in that revolving 7th position. Our pen has improved. But as of late, even our best starters can't get past 7 innings, plus we have Sanabia and Volstad failing to eat up innings, which in turn overworks the bullpen.

 

Our bullpen has improved. Other factors have led to their recent failures. You cant expect a perfect pen.

 

Yeah, I cant stomach them either. But bullpen issues isn't a rare occurence in the major leagues. Very few pens are actually without troubles.

[YearOneMarlinFan]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

I think you're right about the BP being perhaps the worst, or at least close to it. But it looks like the problem is that if you blew it up and started over, there isn't really a good chance of finding better. Lots of teams are looking for good relievers.

 

By the way, anyone have any thoughts on why they didn't keep Robertson as a lefty specialist? Seems to me that his first inning or two were usually pretty good.

[Erick]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

 

 

This might actually be the worst post on this board in a long, long time. At least the most misinformed.

[h2r09]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

 

 

This might actually be the worst post on this board in a long, long time. At least the most misinformed.

 

wasnt that terrible until the last few sentences.

[PhxPhin]

Please look into the AZ Diamondbacks bullpen ..... the marlins isn't great, but it amazingly could be worse .... a lot worse

 

With that said there have been some positive signs of life ..... it's still not a shutdown bullpen (what a dream that would be), but they do have a couple of components that are performing fairly ok

 

the whole team on the season has been performing ok .... which is why they sit at .500 after 100 games

 

not sure how much they can do at this point to change what they are .... however, it's frustrating when you look at the frequency of bullpen collapses, the horrific defense and prolonged offensive slumps and if you think you can get improvement in those areas where the team could be

[I Love Me Some Fish]

Maybe when they travel to San Diego, they can kidnap their bullpen...

[gizmo]

Sure, our bullpen could be worse, but they have definitely cost us more than a handful of games. Stability is needed and fast.

[h2r09]

we need a lefty and a setup man. get me matt thornton and a veteran righty.

[dim]

Did you seriously just say we have the worst bullpen in the majors?????????

 

Have you actually seen the Diamondbacks bullpen? If you saw that teams bullpen, you would be on your hands and knees praying to have the Marlins bullpen back.

[Eddie Altamonte]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

 

 

This might actually be the worst post on this board in a long, long time. At least the most misinformed.

When you actually lead the Majors in BS it is hard to justify having a better BP than any other team If you think I am misinformed what do you base it on and i wont roll my eyes on you

The pen is not getting better I would say we are having some isolated performances that are better but every night is a roller coaster ride there isnt one dependable reliever except maybe Hemsley I have spoken before that Nunez most often than not seems to struggle and appears to lack confidence in the closer role . Everyone else just makes you wanna pluck your eyes out when they pitch . 1-2-3 inning are so rare amongst our relievers When they have holds most of the times its after havent put on several baserunners

Erick if you like this BP you can have it!!

It is a shame because this season would be a whole different story otherwise

[dim]

Marlins bullpen ERA: 4.53

 

LA Angels bullpen ERA: 4.60

 

Kansas City Royals bullpen ERA: 4.85

 

Houston Astros bullpen ERA: 4.95

 

Milwaukee Brewers bullpen ERA: 4.98

 

 

Arizona D-Backs bullpen ERA: 6.59

 

 

It really isn't even close.

[I Love Me Some Fish]

6.59 holy sh*t

[SilverBullet]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

 

By the way, Im gonna beat Schnellders (sp?) to this punchline...

 

TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAMMME!!!!!

[rgkeller]

Marlins FO believes that they can field a contending team with six minimum salary pitchers in the bullpen and this year, as in past years, they are wrong.

 

Wouldn't pay Rhodes $2M and wouldn't pay Lindstrom $1M.

 

And they won't pay Nunez $3.5M. Or Hensley $1.5M.

 

So it will start all over again in 2011.

[Something_Fishy]

I miss Arthur "Dusty" Rhodes. That man was a gamer.

[SilverBullet]

I miss Arthur "Dusty" Rhodes. That man was a gamer.

 

 

I dunno, I always thought he was just a common man. Workin hard with his hands. Workin hard for the man.

[Eddie Altamonte]

Marlins bullpen ERA: 4.53

 

LA Angels bullpen ERA: 4.60

 

Kansas City Royals bullpen ERA: 4.85

 

Houston Astros bullpen ERA: 4.95

 

Milwaukee Brewers bullpen ERA: 4.98

 

 

Arizona D-Backs bullpen ERA: 6.59

 

 

It really isn't even close.

 

 

I guess we have to be proud of our BP then

[Boog Sciambi]

the bullpen problem comes down to 2 things. throwing strikes and locating pitches. when pitchers don't throw strikes (or throw bad strikes - up in the zone with non-overpowering stuff) they get beaten. couple in walks and missing on pitches and we see the sh*t storm known as the marlins bullpen. I think it's incredible that these "pitchers" who have made it up to the major leagues can't even throw strikes.

 

i think the stat that really gets me is tankersly can't get right handed hitters out. Baseball is a game of failures and when tank comes in he turns it into a game of success for the hitters. HE'S A PITCHER. yeah, he may be a 'lefty' specialist but what good is he if he's pitching to one hitter a game and at this point not even getting outs.

 

this bullpen has lead me to alcoholism.

[Schnellders]

In a way I blame some of the starters. Asking the bullpen to pitch 3 or 4 innings EVERY night does eventually take its toll. If we were to get 7 innings more consistently from the starters then I firmly believe we would see better production from the pen.

[I Love Me Some Fish]

In a way I blame some of the starters. Asking the bullpen to pitch 3 or 4 innings EVERY night does eventually take its toll. If we were to get 7 innings more consistently from the starters then I firmly believe we would see better production from the pen.

 

 

True, and aside from JJ and Ricky, no one has been going 7....even though Anibal should have been put out for the 7th in Saturday's game.

[rgkeller]

The Marlins' chosen dependence on retreads and failed minor league starters has left them with a relieving staff of nibblers who cannot get away with less than perfection. So they try to make the perfect pitches that they must and end up with walks.

 

Good bullpens have power arms. Not Sanches and Badenhop and Hensley.

[Admin]

I think the pen was worse in 2004. That was the year where everyone sucked outside of Armando Benitez. I remember the game in Philadelphia where Koch was close to walking in a run and McKeon pulled him in the middle of the batter for Benitez who got the out and the four out save.

 

The Marlins went out and got Mota before the deadline, who was a bit of a letdown.

[Dr Beinfest]

I have been a Marlins fan from season 1, I didn't go to the first game in Joe Robbie Staduim but I did go to the 2nd...I can sincerely say I never saw a worse bullpen in a Marlins uniform ever, We have had some bad teams but our bullpens were always fairly strong. We always had young arms that were able to get batters out, even if it were the Yorkis Perez of the world. In our history we could generally count on having young strong arms. This season has been an abomination it's actually gotten worse than last year. The good news last night is that the bullpen didn't have another BS, they just flat out lost the Game! This team is at .500 in spite of its BP We could have 60 wins by now easily . If I were Beinfest i would blow up the BP and start new Have Helmsley as the close or something like that. We are going nowhere with this Bullpen and it is getting worse

 

 

 

This might actually be the worst post on this board in a long, long time. At least the most misinformed.

 

wasnt that terrible until the last few sentences.

 

Yeah, because anything could be worse than last year considering last year was really, really good.

 

 

But I think this was all bound to happen sooner or later. Going with unreliable arms will serve its title eventually. If you are playing on odds you wont win every time, it's actually been surprising that we've been able to put together bullpens for so long.