Call me crazy but maybe this loss will put a chip on the players shoulders and play like they do give a sh*t. Maybe they'll get something going.

 

At least if you are going to loose a game, then loose it when you already won it. At least you feel satisfied.

 

What posses me the most is that Philly is so lucky 1st three more home games then three less road games and then this.

I wish Gainesville had MLB Network...

 

Any Gainesvillians have a solution?

 

 

I'm in Gainesville with MLB Network. You can get it with Cox.

 

Boo. I have Pavlov. And for the record. Cox internet =/=awesome. I guess the package I had last year with Cox didn't include MLB Network, it's the only baseball channel worth watching.

Can't Wait til MLB has Robots become Umpires.

That'll be the day...

 

 

Yep, that'll be the day.

 

Then the day after, that'll be the day of robocalypse

OOOOOOH I see..that's why MLBN is covering it.."it'll probably hurt the braves more..." is that why?

On MLB Network they poked a little fun at Rich while he was on the phone but they ultimately commended him for giving a "natural" reaction to the call.

Well I missed tonight's game and by the sounds of it I'm glad I did.

 

While Leo has been great I still think he needs to find a way to slow his change up down more. When he throws mostly 93, 94 you can't throw a 90 mph change up. The movement he has on it is disgusting.

 

Wow hell of a heads up hustle play from Hanley on that ball off the wall.

 

Wow I just saw the highlights! Rich went off lol.

On MLB Network they poked a little fun at Rich while he was on the phone but they ultimately commended him for giving a "natural" reaction to the call.

I really don't think it was as obvious that the ball was foul as Rich & Tommy make it sound. Sure, the ball landed in the dirt well after it passed third, but as Rich & Tommy pointed out, it's where the ball is when it passes third base, and it was actually pretty much at the wrong side of third at that point, though it was curving in rather strangely.

 

I don't see how blaming the umpire changes the fact that our closer blew another save throwing too many change-ups, just like he did earlier in the year.

 

A ball that hit's the dirt fair twice before it reaches 3rd and fell 6 inches fair afterwards is never going to be foul over the bag. The physics just doesn't add up.

 

 

Also, not the error, not throwing a tonshit for pitches yesterday, but not having a killer instinct is what did Leo in.

 

I know you're being facetious, but the big hits that caused the blown save tonight were all on the change-up, and if leo had more killer instinct he'd be blowing people away with the fastball and using the change-up to supplement, not using the change-up almost as his primary pitch. Throwing too many pitches last night didn't cause him to make that poor decision.

 

 

His changeup is his best pitch. That has nothing to do with killer instinct, or whatever BS people use. I guess Carlos Marmol has no killer instinct either despite the amount of K's he has because he throws his slider more than his mid-90's fastball.

 

Not everyone is Mariano Rivera, blowing cutters past hitters on every pitch.

 

I've watched Carlos Marmol pitch a lot, and his slider is in an entirely different league than Leo's change-up. It may be the hardest pitch in the league to hit. Leo's change-up gets taken advantage of when it gets thrown too much, it ceases to be his best pitch when it isn't well-played off the fastball, while the only thing holding Marmol back is that he can't always find the strike zone.

 

 

Leo Nunez fastball is much more hittable than his changeup. There are #'s to prove this.

Also, the 30+ pitches he threw yesterday did have an effect. Leo's normally throwing in the mid 90's, and he started the 9th throwing 92 mph fastballs to Polanco, etc. A huge difference between mid-90's and 92. His fastball is touchable as it is, and if he's throwing it at 92, it'll become more touchable.

 

PS - Say what you want, but he gets the save tonight, if not for the error. And apparently he had the killer instinct to keep the game tied, instead of just making the game a complete humiliation in the 9th. My point here is that the whole killer instinct thing is bulls***.

Can't Wait til MLB has Robots become Umpires.

That'll be the day...

 

 

Yep, that'll be the day.

 

Then the day after, that'll be the day of robocalypse

 

the first RoboUmpires will be manufactured by SkyNET

OOOOOOH I see..that's why MLBN is covering it.."it'll probably hurt the braves more..." is that why?

 

Nah, even Rich and Tommy said that. It's true.

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

 

How confident? 99.9%? 95%?

Call me crazy but maybe this loss will put a chip on the players shoulders and play like they do give a sh*t. Maybe they'll get something going.

 

 

 

It's August 5th and they have had one 4 game winning streak, went through a managerial change, had a homestand that had 4 walk off hits....they should have been playing pissed off over a month ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Davidson_(umpire)

 

"Davidson recently became internationally infamous for his work as an umpire during the 2006 World Baseball Classic, when he incorrectly ruled on a pair of critical calls, both in favor of the United States team. Thus, he was nicknamed the "Patriotic Ump" by the media from other countries...

 

...Mexico vs. the United StatesIn the bottom of the third inning of a second-round game between Mexico and the United States, Mexican outfielder Mario Valenzuela hit what appeared to be a home run off of American pitcher Roger Clemens, off the foul pole in right field. In the rules of baseball, a ball hit off the foul pole is a home run, and the ball appeared to strike about two metres up the pole. Moreover, it hit the pole hard enough that some of the pole's yellow paint was visible on the ball.

 

However, Davidson, this time serving as first base umpire, ruled that the ball had remained in play and that Valenzuela had only hit a double. This call would be correct if the ball bounced off the wall rather than the foul pole, but the ball hit far enough up the pole that many fans thought there should be no doubt. Moreover, incredulous Mexican pitcher Esteban Loaiza attempted to show Davidson the ball with the yellow paint of the foul pole on it, although this did not succeed in getting the call overturned.[3]

 

The call, once again, had little impact on the tournament. Jorge Cantu singled Valenzuela home later that inning anyway, meaning that the only impact the call had was on Valenzuela's individual statistics. Mexico won the game 2-1, eliminating the United States from the tournament."

 

 

 

Someone forgot to tell Davidson that Cantu is no longer with the Marlins.

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

Pure knucklehead.

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

 

 

How an umpire can discuss a play and use the word 'opinion' in the same sentence is beyond me, really.

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

 

 

At least Joyce was man enough to admit he was wrong right after the game. Davidson is a POS. I don't know what was worse; his call, or having to watch his face and the smirk he was putting on, after the call. He didn't even care to hear what Edwin was saying.

I was hoping Edwin would get thrown out....give everything he had to say to the ump

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

 

It's clear he didn't know of the sh*t storm brewing all over the Marlins broadcast and MLB Network. It's pretty dumb for him to even speak as to his confidence about the call before checking the replay.

Marlins fans were robbed.

Bob Davidson after the game - "I'm very confident i got it right. I understand that's the winning run but in my opinion it was foul"

 

How about he watches a replay?

 

 

And I'm very confident Davidson is a bleeping bleepther bleeper of an umpire.

Davidson should be punished somehow, but it won't happen.

 

Horrible "loss."

It doesn't surprise me that there are numbers to show that Leo's change-up is his hardest to hit pitch. These numbers probably reflect the majority of the time when Leo uses his change-up properly off his fastball. In that case it is harder to hit. That doesn't mean that it won't lose a lot of its effectiveness if Leo is throwing it too high of a percentage. Again, part of the effectiveness of a change-up is that it plays off the fastball.

I bet Bob Davidson is welcomed in Philly

ESPN Announcers after showing the play and Rich and Tommy's call and reaction

 

"It's one thing to be homers...It's another to be right".

 

That just about sums it up.