I'm going to assume the Marlins aren't stupid enough to build hopes so high only to knowingly let them fall. These offers have to be nothing more than introductory.

 

Yeah, this. Even if the most pessimistic reports are true, still this.

 

If they don't end up with any of Pujols, Reyes, Fielder, Wilson, or Buehrle, that would be horrific PR, especially so after this buildup.

 

Yea. To be entirely honest, I don't even know if I'd make an effort to go to Opening Day if that happened. The season would seem so bleak.

 

But all of this still begs the question.. Should we be worried?

But all of this still begs the question.. Should we be worried?

 

 

Yessss! You went there! Don't you miss him.

Eh, I could live without him.

 

 

Even though he was kind of right about being worried (not the 20-40 start though...).

Its still early. You never accept the first offer unless you know you are getting overpaid. This applies to everything.

 

You should have taught your mom that before last night.

That one hurt.

 

Jk i have no feelings.

 

Because you're so generous you donate all of your feelings to others.

Who was it that started that? I don't remember who first said it.

hurricane

I'm going to assume the Marlins aren't stupid enough to build hopes so high only to knowingly let them fall. These offers have to be nothing more than introductory.

 

Yeah, this. Even if the most pessimistic reports are true, still this.

 

If they don't end up with any of Pujols, Reyes, Fielder, Wilson, or Buehrle, that would be horrific PR, especially so after this buildup.

 

Not just trying to be my usual pessimistic self here, but my take on it is that all the Marlins are doing is hoping to build PR by at least acting like they tried for once. I don't think they really expect to sign even one of the marque players they are giving lowball offers to.

 

I should say that I am still glad we're even going through the motions...it sure beats the heck out of previous years. Hearing about FA this year is like me imagining what I'd do if I were running the Marlins in some video game.

I like that "initial offer" = "lowball offer."

 

Remember when we weren't going to sign JJ because the first offer we made was low?

The Marlins seem to be just throwing low ball offers out to anyone out there to drum up PR for the new stadium. They might go out and land Reyes, but my instinct tells me that the reports of other GMs saying the Marlins arent serious about most of these offers is more accurate.

 

If its a PR move its further evidence what a bunch of clowns these guys are and why they are regarded as such by the rest of the league. But Im still hoping we land Reyes as it seems thats the only marquee guy we are going after seriously.

I would wait until they have the opportunity to have a little bit of back and forth with the players and agents before doing all of this.

The only FA I'm inclined to say they might not be serious about is Pujols and that's mostly because I can't imagine them having enough money to compete with the Cardinals' offer. I suspect a lot of their "seriousness" when it comes to Pujols hinges on their hope that he'll accept a discount based on the city of Miami, Ozzie Guillen, and new ballpark. Those things might help sway him in a case where he's faced with two similar dollar amounts, but they won't lead him to accept substantially less money.

 

The problem is also that we can't be certain how much the Cardinals' offered. When they were negotiating this past season, the amount was rumored to be less than $200 million.

I like that "initial offer" = "lowball offer."

 

Remember when we weren't going to sign JJ because the first offer we made was low?

 

 

The difference is that JJ was under team control and had as much incentive for signing a fair extension as the Marlins did (injury insurance, guaranteed millions as opposed to theoretically more money down the road). That's completely different than free agents who can pick where they want to go and may very well be offended or not even seriously consider the Marlins after a low ball offer.

I think that's silly. Nobody's going to look at the first offer they see and say "Nope! I'm never talking to you again."

 

It's not really a different situation. We're talking about people overreacting to reports on initial offers.

I think that's silly. Nobody's going to look at the first offer they see and say "Nope! I'm never talking to you again."

 

It's not really a different situation. We're talking about people overreacting to reports on initial offers.

 

 

Really? Because that kind of stuff happens all the time. If you offer somebody drastically less than they are worth, it's pretty much your organization saying "this is what we think you are worth". Not to mention that if you lowball free agents, you may not even get a chance to rectify that because another team may offer them what they are worth and the player will take it.

i would find it amusing if they sign Fielder within a matter of a few days after Pujols re-signs with the Cards...smoke and mirrors!

I think that's silly. Nobody's going to look at the first offer they see and say "Nope! I'm never talking to you again."

 

It's not really a different situation. We're talking about people overreacting to reports on initial offers.

 

 

Really? Because that kind of stuff happens all the time. If you offer somebody drastically less than they are worth, it's pretty much your organization saying "this is what we think you are worth". Not to mention that if you lowball free agents, you may not even get a chance to rectify that because another team may offer them what they are worth and the player will take it.

 

All the time?

 

So name some MLB examples of teams losing out specifically because of a poor initial offer.

i really would not mind fielder at all. i mean if they are going after pujols why wouldnt they try for fielder.

 

hes lost some weight the last few years and has put up great numbers.

I just don't know what big free agent goes in with the highest offer right off the bat anyway, nor does any player generally accept the first offer. Aren't they all pretty much looking to start a bidding war?? If money's an issue that is...

 

With Pujols, the money is so insanely high that it really shouldn't make a whit of difference if one team is a few million high or low (can't believe I just said that). He should play in a town he wants to live in, on a team he wants to play for. He can pretty much go wherever he wants and he's not a guy who really needs to "get a buzz going" or a bidding war in order to get his big free agent deal or something. 190 or 200 million over 9 years, wtf is the difference. I'm sure the Cards will find a way to keep him anyway.

i really would not mind fielder at all. i mean if they are going after pujols why wouldnt they try for fielder.

 

hes lost some weight the last few years and has put up great numbers.

 

 

Yea, and his weight really shouldn't be the issue people say it is. Miguel Cabrera came up through the system skinny, then got ripped, then got fat. THAT is a problem. Fielder, on the other hand, has been playing fat his entire life. He knows how to play with weight, it's nothing new to him.

The only FA I'm inclined to say they might not be serious about is Pujols and that's mostly because I can't imagine them having enough money to compete with the Cardinals' offer. I suspect a lot of their "seriousness" when it comes to Pujols hinges on their hope that he'll accept a discount based on the city of Miami, Ozzie Guillen, and new ballpark. Those things might help sway him in a case where he's faced with two similar dollar amounts, but they won't lead him to accept substantially less money.

 

The problem is also that we can't be certain how much the Cardinals' offered. When they were negotiating this past season, the amount was rumored to be less than $200 million.

 

 

Another thing that always needs to be pointed out is that ignoring the jock tax, no income tax in Florida for 81 games is probably quite attractive on ~$200 million. Your money goes farther here.

I think that's silly. Nobody's going to look at the first offer they see and say "Nope! I'm never talking to you again."

 

It's not really a different situation. We're talking about people overreacting to reports on initial offers.

 

 

Really? Because that kind of stuff happens all the time. If you offer somebody drastically less than they are worth, it's pretty much your organization saying "this is what we think you are worth". Not to mention that if you lowball free agents, you may not even get a chance to rectify that because another team may offer them what they are worth and the player will take it.

 

All the time?

 

So name some MLB examples of teams losing out specifically because of a poor initial offer.

 

Umm...how about all the teams whose offers you don't even hear that much about because the players signed elsewhere?

 

This post I'm linking isn't about true free agents as much as impending free agents, but it still goes into the philosophy of making offers just for PR purposes.

 

http://www.battleyourtailoff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21013&start=0

yep marlins dead serious in bein cheap

yep marlins dead serious in bein cheap

 

I'll quote a troll post, and agree with it.

 

Miami Marlins.

Okay front office, time to step it up. The natives are getting restless.

On this day in 2005 we traded Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett for Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez. Hopefully a trade won't go down today, but a FA signing instead. *wishful thinking*