November 14, 201213 yr Then there's this perspective, also from HardBall times: http://hardballtalk....to-miami-trade/ That said, strictly as a baseball trade, this seems like a pretty good value for them. Reyes and Buehrle really shouldn’t have any trade value at all; the Marlins were the high bidders for both last year and signed them to backloaded contracts. Any time you can sign a free agent to a long-term deal and then trade him a year later, without eating any salary (though the Marlins did eat $4 million here), you’re coming out ahead. The back half of free agent deals are almost always worse than the front half. Working under that theory, the only two guys in the deal for the Marlins with significant trade value were Johnson, who is one year away from free agency, and Bonifacio, an arbitration-eligible speedster who is an adequate regular at a few positions but not really exceptional anywhere. In return, the Marlins are getting a cheap No. 3 or 4 starter in Alvarez, a possible long-term shortstop in Hechevarria, two very good prospects who will both probably crack the bottom half of top 100 lists next spring in Nicolino and Marisnick, a possible bullpen arm in DeSclafani and whatever Escobar brings back in trade. That’s pretty good. Better still if catcher Travis d’Arnaud was in there, but that probably would have required eating more salary than the Marlins were willing to do. If this were a computer simulation, one could make a great argument that the Marlins came out ahead here. Figuring that they weren’t going to contend in 2013 anyway, they might as well start over, tank next year and then try to load up again come 2014 or ’15. You forgot this part: "- Of course, there’s the obvious thought: the Marlins are a joke and owner Jeffrey Loria needs to be forced out of baseball. That still applies." .
November 14, 201213 yr The prospects we got back are really good. Granted we've all heard that before with Maybin, Miller etc. No they aren't lol Nicolino seems solid, but yeah nothing earth shattering.
November 14, 201213 yr I find it amusing that just a couple months ago some people fully expected to get Olt, Perez, and Martin for JJ.
November 14, 201213 yr Somewhere, between Presidente número ocho and nueve and Ambien número uno and dos, a Veneuzuelan is laughing.
November 14, 201213 yr Author The prospects we got back are really good. Granted we've all heard that before with Maybin, Miller etc. No they aren't lol Nicolino seems solid, but yeah nothing earth shattering. Hey, I'll gladly take prospects from the 3rd ranked farm system in MLB. Whether it works out or not is a completely different thing.
November 14, 201213 yr Somewhere, between Presidente número ocho and nueve and Ambien número uno and dos, a Veneuzuelan is laughing. Is that Venezuelan a former manager of this team?
November 14, 201213 yr Also, the Cabrera/Willis trade happened on a Tuesday as well. So ... next Tuesday, watch for the next big trade.
November 14, 201213 yr Also, the Cabrera/Willis trade happened on a Tuesday as well. So ... next Tuesday, watch for the next big trade. Stanton for Cabrera. Orlando Cabrera.
November 14, 201213 yr Also, the Cabrera/Willis trade happened on a Tuesday as well. So ... next Tuesday, watch for the next big trade. Stanton and Nolasco to the Phillies for Freddy Galvis and Dominic Brown.
November 14, 201213 yr I don't think I've posted in about 4 years, but I've remained a fan over that time, and have been a fan since about 1995, when baseball returned from the strike. I can no longer be a fan of this team or spend another dime in support of this team as long as the current ownership remains in place. Miami is my home, and I will leave the door open to return when these guys get run out of town. But I'm not sure where I go next from here. This move is DISGUSTING. This goes way past the previous firesales. Way, way past. Those firesales may have felt like a slap in the face back then, but, frankly, the term "market correction" was not entirely inappropriate. Attendance was pretty low. Sure, the franchise made a butt load of money through profit sharing, but that was just the Marlins fleecing Major League Baseball. Now they've managed to fleece the city of Miami. During the worst economic slump in most of our lifetimes, they took $360 million from Miami taxpayers to build their stadium. We went along with this, in part, because they made us a lot of promises. They promised to field a competitive team. And then, in less than a year, they tore the team to shreds. If you are a citizen of Miami, if you have any municipal pride, I have no idea how you can continue to root for this team under this ownership. I mean, no offense, but they just played us all for a bunch of idiots. Look...they've already won. They played us for idiots, and they won. That money is gone, and we're not getting it back. This franchise is now worth three times what Loria payed for it, and much of that is because of this new stadium, which he tricked us into paying for. If you're OK with that, fine...continue to support this team. I will not go to another game and will not watch another game until this disgusting ownership is gone. And, as for Loria...how much money is enough? This man was ridiculously wealthy before he ever got into baseball, and now he's wealthier still. But at what cost? How much money is it worth to destroy your integrity and become a villain? I will never understand the motivation of such a man. Have another yacht, you doughy prick.
November 14, 201213 yr I don't think I've posted in about 4 years, but I've remained a fan over that time, and have been a fan since about 1995, when baseball returned from the strike. I can no longer be a fan of this team or spend another dime in support of this team as long as the current ownership remains in place. Miami is my home, and I will leave the door open to return when these guys get run out of town. But I'm not sure where I go next from here. This move is DISGUSTING. This goes way past the previous firesales. Way, way past. Those firesales may have felt like a slap in the face back then, but, frankly, the term "market correction" was not entirely inappropriate. Attendance was pretty low. Sure, the franchise made a butt load of money through profit sharing, but that was just the Marlins fleecing Major League Baseball. Now they've managed to fleece the city of Miami. During the worst economic slump in most of our lifetimes, they took $360 million from Miami taxpayers to build their stadium. We went along with this, in part, because they made us a lot of promises. They promised to field a competitive team. And then, in less than a year, they tore the team to shreds. If you are a citizen of Miami, if you have any municipal pride, I have no idea how you can continue to root for this team under this ownership. I mean, no offense, but they just played us all for a bunch of idiots. Look...they've already won. They played us for idiots, and they won. That money is gone, and we're not getting it back. This franchise is now worth three times what Loria payed for it, and much of that is because of this new stadium, which he tricked us into paying for. If you're OK with that, fine...continue to support this team. I will not go to another game and will not watch another game until this disgusting ownership is gone. And, as for Loria...how much money is enough? This man was ridiculously wealthy before he ever got into baseball, and now he's wealthier still. But at what cost? How much money is it worth to destroy your integrity and become a villain? I will never understand the motivation of such a man. Have another yacht, you doughy prick. well said.
November 14, 201213 yr Please at whatever cost, sell the team. Get the hell out of here with all the money you ass raped from everyone.
November 14, 201213 yr Even Allison Williams is sick. Allison Williams @AllisonW_Sports Oh #Marlins....this is so not awesome. I think im gonna be sick Allison Williams @AllisonW_Sports #Marlins i feel sad and confused and mad. I just wanted to know why? What happened?...Wait did I just get dumped?
November 14, 201213 yr This team needs to win 160 games and the World Series each of the next five seasons to redeem themselves. Winning the World Series alone won't be enough. Any championship with more than 2 regular season losses attached to it will be considered a failure.
November 14, 201213 yr I don't think I've posted in about 4 years, but I've remained a fan over that time, and have been a fan since about 1995, when baseball returned from the strike. I can no longer be a fan of this team or spend another dime in support of this team as long as the current ownership remains in place. Miami is my home, and I will leave the door open to return when these guys get run out of town. But I'm not sure where I go next from here. This move is DISGUSTING. This goes way past the previous firesales. Way, way past. Those firesales may have felt like a slap in the face back then, but, frankly, the term "market correction" was not entirely inappropriate. Attendance was pretty low. Sure, the franchise made a butt load of money through profit sharing, but that was just the Marlins fleecing Major League Baseball. Now they've managed to fleece the city of Miami. During the worst economic slump in most of our lifetimes, they took $360 million from Miami taxpayers to build their stadium. We went along with this, in part, because they made us a lot of promises. They promised to field a competitive team. And then, in less than a year, they tore the team to shreds. If you are a citizen of Miami, if you have any municipal pride, I have no idea how you can continue to root for this team under this ownership. I mean, no offense, but they just played us all for a bunch of idiots. Look...they've already won. They played us for idiots, and they won. That money is gone, and we're not getting it back. This franchise is now worth three times what Loria payed for it, and much of that is because of this new stadium, which he tricked us into paying for. If you're OK with that, fine...continue to support this team. I will not go to another game and will not watch another game until this disgusting ownership is gone. And, as for Loria...how much money is enough? This man was ridiculously wealthy before he ever got into baseball, and now he's wealthier still. But at what cost? How much money is it worth to destroy your integrity and become a villain? I will never understand the motivation of such a man. Have another yacht, you doughy prick. Spot on.
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