So which shortstop do we piss off this offseason by making him a third baseman?

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN

From a pure baseball standpoint, the Marlins did well with this deal. But this trade has a lot more ripples beyond the makeup of the roster.

 

 

HOW?????

So which shortstop do we piss off this offseason by making him a third baseman?

 

Edgar Renteria

So I'm guessing I'm the only one who thought this trade was kind of a good thing.

 

You said the inclusion of Bonifacio is what upsets you most? You're overvaluing him.

Bonifacio was my favorite player

So which shortstop do we piss off this offseason by making him a third baseman?

 

 

"Yunel, you need to play 3B. In exchange, you can wear that eye black with the gay slur on it."

Then there's this perspective, also from HardBall times:

 

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/13/breaking-down-the-huge-toronto-miami-trade/

 

 

That said, strictly as a baseball trade, this seems like a pretty good value for them. Reyes and Buehrle really shouldn’t have any trade value at all; the Marlins were the high bidders for both last year and signed them to backloaded contracts. Any time you can sign a free agent to a long-term deal and then trade him a year later, without eating any salary (though the Marlins did eat $4 million here), you’re coming out ahead. The back half of free agent deals are almost always worse than the front half.

 

Working under that theory, the only two guys in the deal for the Marlins with significant trade value were Johnson, who is one year away from free agency, and Bonifacio, an arbitration-eligible speedster who is an adequate regular at a few positions but not really exceptional anywhere.

 

In return, the Marlins are getting a cheap No. 3 or 4 starter in Alvarez, a possible long-term shortstop in Hechevarria, two very good prospects who will both probably crack the bottom half of top 100 lists next spring in Nicolino and Marisnick, a possible bullpen arm in DeSclafani and whatever Escobar brings back in trade. That’s pretty good. Better still if catcher Travis d’Arnaud was in there, but that probably would have required eating more salary than the Marlins were willing to do.

 

If this were a computer simulation, one could make a great argument that the Marlins came out ahead here. Figuring that they weren’t going to contend in 2013 anyway, they might as well start over, tank next year and then try to load up again come 2014 or ’15.

I think he meant the young talent we got back. But the fact that they gutted the roster a season after upping payroll a ton and moving into a new stadium kind of cancels that out.

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN

From a pure baseball standpoint, the Marlins did well with this deal. But this trade has a lot more ripples beyond the makeup of the roster.

 

 

HOW?????its olney. He's retarded.

And a Phillies fan, so his loving this

If the Marlins could sell their own fans for money they would do it

The prospects we got back are really good. Granted we've all heard that before with Maybin, Miller etc.

So which shortstop do we piss off this offseason by making him a third baseman?

 

Trade the one with more Value with Nolasco and someone else to ARI for JUp

Any reactions from NYY and BOS fans?

 

Would love to see those.

Wait ...

... Nolasco's the last person left from the 06 team now. :|

If the Marlins could sell their own fans for money they would do it

 

 

With every trade they make, they are essentially trading away fans.

Any reactions from NYY and BOS fans?

 

Would love to see those.

 

 

 

"Stanton would look great in pinstripes"

 

 

I vomited

Not to get into politics ....but compared to the high I'm on , this is small potatoes.

On the the other hand, had the election gone differently and then this news....I'd be on suicide watch.

Bonifacio was my favorite player

 

backed.

Then there's this perspective, also from HardBall times:

 

http://hardballtalk....to-miami-trade/

 

 

That said, strictly as a baseball trade, this seems like a pretty good value for them. Reyes and Buehrle really shouldn’t have any trade value at all; the Marlins were the high bidders for both last year and signed them to backloaded contracts. Any time you can sign a free agent to a long-term deal and then trade him a year later, without eating any salary (though the Marlins did eat $4 million here), you’re coming out ahead. The back half of free agent deals are almost always worse than the front half.

 

Working under that theory, the only two guys in the deal for the Marlins with significant trade value were Johnson, who is one year away from free agency, and Bonifacio, an arbitration-eligible speedster who is an adequate regular at a few positions but not really exceptional anywhere.

 

In return, the Marlins are getting a cheap No. 3 or 4 starter in Alvarez, a possible long-term shortstop in Hechevarria, two very good prospects who will both probably crack the bottom half of top 100 lists next spring in Nicolino and Marisnick, a possible bullpen arm in DeSclafani and whatever Escobar brings back in trade. That’s pretty good. Better still if catcher Travis d’Arnaud was in there, but that probably would have required eating more salary than the Marlins were willing to do.

 

If this were a computer simulation, one could make a great argument that the Marlins came out ahead here. Figuring that they weren’t going to contend in 2013 anyway, they might as well start over, tank next year and then try to load up again come 2014 or ’15.

 

 

This is what I'm talking about here. They really didn't think we could compete in 2013 so we need to load up on talent and try again. But this is also how you effectively kill a fanbase.

The prospects we got back are really good. Granted we've all heard that before with Maybin, Miller etc.

 

 

No they aren't lol

Did Toronto surpass Detroit as Marlins part.2

hi José "Pepe" Diaz do think marlins are breaking agreement with county by doing this fire sale when their agree to but winnning team on field what their getting back from bluejay is not what team need to be good team their told you you help us get new ballpark we put team we all love to see that not what Loria doing to our miami marlin please get all other commissor to see if marlins are not going with county agreement that you sign few year ago ty jose diaz

i wrote to

 

 

i wrote to pepe diaz it look like marlins may have break one of aggrement with county and city

This tells me Loria is about to cash out.

 

Even by Jeff and David's lofty standards this is brutal.

Honestly, I'm not surprised with anything that this front office does anymore. I'm hoping Loria sells the team.

P.S. Gut feeling, I don't see Stanton staying long term. Either they trade him or he leaves as soon as possible.

This tells me Loria is about to cash out.

 

Even by Jeff and David's lofty standards this is brutal.

 

 

We can only hope.