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That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

 

He is the best 2B in the game.

 

 

That's arguable with the season Matt Carpenter just had...

 

And being the best 2B in the game doesn't mean you're entitled to $300 Million. He is the best at his position, but not even a top 10 player in baseball overall. What makes him deserving of more money than Albert Pujols, arguably the greatest player of a generation?

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He's a 6+ win player at the moment. If you believe in the 1 WAR ~ $5M argument, then $30M per year makes sense.

 

There are probably two main arguments that apply here, though. First is that he's 31, and the odds are slim that he keeps up production anywhere close to this as he approaches his 40s. Then again, inflation makes his later years cheaper (assuming a relatively flat year-to-year salary within the contract).

 

Second, even if you believe 1 WAR ~ $5M, I feel that the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. win above replacement is even more valuable. It's so difficult, in baseball, to get from decent to playoffs, and so being able to generate a few extra wins out of any one position is huge.

 

I doubt he'll get $305 million, but I don't think it's facially absurd.

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He's a 6+ win player at the moment. If you believe in the 1 WAR ~ $5M argument, then $30M per year makes sense.

 

There are probably two main arguments that apply here, though. First is that he's 31, and the odds are slim that he keeps up production anywhere close to this as he approaches his 40s. Then again, inflation makes his later years cheaper (assuming a relatively flat year-to-year salary within the contract).

 

Second, even if you believe 1 WAR ~ $5M, I feel that the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. win above replacement is even more valuable. It's so difficult, in baseball, to get from decent to playoffs, and so being able to generate a few extra wins out of any one position is huge.

 

I doubt he'll get $305 million, but I don't think it's facially absurd.

 

Giving Cano that much money could potentially ruin the Yankees for the next decade especially when he regresses. They are incredibly weak at some of the other positions. They'd be better off spending that money on more than one player.

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He's a 6+ win player at the moment. If you believe in the 1 WAR ~ $5M argument, then $30M per year makes sense.

 

There are probably two main arguments that apply here, though. First is that he's 31, and the odds are slim that he keeps up production anywhere close to this as he approaches his 40s. Then again, inflation makes his later years cheaper (assuming a relatively flat year-to-year salary within the contract).

 

Second, even if you believe 1 WAR ~ $5M, I feel that the fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. win above replacement is even more valuable. It's so difficult, in baseball, to get from decent to playoffs, and so being able to generate a few extra wins out of any one position is huge.

 

I doubt he'll get $305 million, but I don't think it's facially absurd.

 

Giving Cano that much money could potentially ruin the Yankees for the next decade especially when he regresses. They are incredibly weak at some of the other positions. They'd be better off spending that money on more than one player.

 

 

I'm not saying it makes sense for the Yankees, but rather that the overall amount maybe isn't as crazy as many are making it out to be.

 

Let's say he gets 10/$300M, with a flat $30M salary per year. Year 8, with ~4% inflation, would (an estimate) be closer to ~$21M in today's dollars. Will he be a 4-win player at age 39? Impossible to say, but not out of the question.

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That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

He is one of the top 10 players in baseball right now. Not that I'd ever give him such a contract, but yeah.

 

 

Not including pitchers (which I should considering they're players)

 

1. Mike Trout

2. Miguel Cabrera

3. Andrew McCutchen

4. Chris Davis

5. Carlos Gonzalez

6. Joe Mauer

7. Joey Votto

8. Paul Goldschmidt

9. Yadier Molina

10. David Wright

 

(Honorable mentions Josh Donaldson, Adrian Beltre, Hanley Ramirez, Freddie Freeman, Michael Cuddyer, Troy Tulowitzki, Jay Bruce, Matt Carpenter, Prince Fielder, Giancarlo Stanton, etc)

 

No perfect science, but you could easily put together a top 10 and leave him off the list...

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That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

He is one of the top 10 players in baseball right now. Not that I'd ever give him such a contract, but yeah.

 

 

Not including pitchers (which I should considering they're players)

 

1. Mike Trout

2. Miguel Cabrera

3. Andrew McCutchen

4. Chris Davis

5. Carlos Gomez

6. Joe Mauer

7. Joey Votto

8. Paul Goldschmidt

9. Yadier Molina

10. David Wright

 

(Honorable mentions Josh Donaldson, Adrian Beltre, Hanley Ramirez, Freddie Freeman, Michael Cuddyer, Troy Tulowitzki, Jay Bruce, Matt Carpenter, Prince Fielder, Giancarlo Stanton, etc)

 

No perfect science, but you could easily put together a top 10 and leave him off the list...

 

 

 

 

I would easily take Cano over many of the guys listed. As a matter of fact, if this is the list you came up with of the best players in baseball right now (which is a fine list), you've convinced me that Cano is actually top-5 all things considered.

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Carlos Gomez has one pretty good year and suddenly he's a top 5 player.

Makes sense.

 

Why is Joe Mauer so high on this list [injuries, overpaid, no where near his MVP 2009 level]?

 

David Wright, also - I wouldn't say he's top 10. From 05-08, yeah, definitely, but right now? No.

 

Chris Davis may be doing something unsustainable - he's only been THIS GOOD for 8 months [August of last year til now].

 

Cano cracks the top 5.

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Carlos Gomez has one pretty good year and suddenly he's a top 5 player.

Makes sense.

 

Why is Joe Mauer so high on this list [injuries, overpaid, no where near his MVP 2009 level]?

 

David Wright, also - I wouldn't say he's top 10. From 05-08, yeah, definitely, but right now? No.

 

Chris Davis may be doing something unsustainable - he's only been THIS GOOD for 8 months [August of last year til now].

 

Cano cracks the top 5.

 

 

Carlos Gomez was a typo...

 

5. Carlos Gonzalez*

 

Joe Mauer is 2nd in the AL in batting behind only Miggy and has an .880 OPS... with Gold Glove defense... at the catcher position.

 

David Wright is OPS'ing .920 for a terrible team and a Gold Glove caliber defender.

 

Chris Davis is a no brainer in the present day.

 

BTW, that's not actually my list of baseball's top ten players (Cano would actually make my list, but not top 5). Just saying he is nowhere near a $300 Million player if it can even be argued he's not a top 10 position player in the game right now.

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Carlos Gomez was a typo...

 

5. Carlos Gonzalez*

 

Joe Mauer is 2nd in the AL in batting behind only Miggy and has an .880 OPS... with Gold Glove defense... at the catcher position.

 

David Wright is OPS'ing .920 for a terrible team and a Gold Glove caliber defender.

 

Chris Davis is a no brainer in the present day.

 

BTW, that's not actually my list of baseball's top ten players (Cano would actually make my list, but not top 5). Just saying he is nowhere near a $300 Million player if it can even be argued he's not a top 10 position player in the game right now.

 

 

 

Carlos Gonzalez is also highly debatable. Coors Field product [home/away splits: .328/.388/.604/.922 home, .269/.324/.450/.774 road].

 

Joe Mauer hasn't won a Gold Glove since 2010, and he's slowly moving out of that position. He's re-upped his ability to throw guys out this year, but that's about it.

 

Chris Davis has a legitimate case for being in the top 10 present-day. However, again, let's see if he sustains it. He's only been doing this for eight months, and even then, he's dropped off a LOT in the second half this year. I wasn't expecting him to sustain April/May numbers [.357 with 20 homers? Ridiculous], but to drop off to where his average went all the way from that .357 down to .285, that ain't good. Second half slash line - .243/.335/.506/.841 - still good in the power department, but that would drop him out of the top 10 for me.

 

I'm curious as to who made that list, then, if it wasn't you. It has a case for McCutchen, Trout, and Cabrera being better, but after that, I don't think so. Votto actually should be in the top 5, IMO.

 

I don't think anyone disagreed with the argument of, "he's not worthy of $300,000,000" - nobody has agreed or said that he's worth anywhere near that much money. The argument was against the "he's not even a top 10 guy" statement, which, by the way, you DID say:

 

That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

 

And you also said this:

 

 

 

 

He is the best 2B in the game.

 

 

 

That's arguable with the season Matt Carpenter just had...

 

One season Carpenter has put up good ridiculously good numbers [and I'll admit, he's had a GREAT year], and you put him above Cano automatically? For ONE season? Cano has sustained his offensive numbers for the last five seasons WHILE playing Gold Glove defense [won both GG and SS two of last three years], yet Matt Carpenter, playing in his true first full season, is better just because of what he's done this year? I don't follow this one, I'm sorry.

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Carlos Gomez was a typo...

 

5. Carlos Gonzalez*

 

Joe Mauer is 2nd in the AL in batting behind only Miggy and has an .880 OPS... with Gold Glove defense... at the catcher position.

 

David Wright is OPS'ing .920 for a terrible team and a Gold Glove caliber defender.

 

Chris Davis is a no brainer in the present day.

 

BTW, that's not actually my list of baseball's top ten players (Cano would actually make my list, but not top 5). Just saying he is nowhere near a $300 Million player if it can even be argued he's not a top 10 position player in the game right now.

 

 

 

Carlos Gonzalez is also highly debatable. Coors Field product [home/away splits: .328/.388/.604/.922 home, .269/.324/.450/.774 road].

 

Joe Mauer hasn't won a Gold Glove since 2010, and he's slowly moving out of that position. He's re-upped his ability to throw guys out this year, but that's about it.

 

Chris Davis has a legitimate case for being in the top 10 present-day. However, again, let's see if he sustains it. He's only been doing this for eight months, and even then, he's dropped off a LOT in the second half this year. I wasn't expecting him to sustain April/May numbers [.357 with 20 homers? Ridiculous], but to drop off to where his average went all the way from that .357 down to .285, that ain't good. Second half slash line - .243/.335/.506/.841 - still good in the power department, but that would drop him out of the top 10 for me.

 

I'm curious as to who made that list, then, if it wasn't you. It has a case for McCutchen, Trout, and Cabrera being better, but after that, I don't think so. Votto actually should be in the top 5, IMO.

 

I don't think anyone disagreed with the argument of, "he's not worthy of $300,000,000" - nobody has agreed or said that he's worth anywhere near that much money. The argument was against the "he's not even a top 10 guy" statement, which, by the way, you DID say:

 

That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

 

And you also said this:

 

 

He is the best 2B in the game.

 

 

 

That's arguable with the season Matt Carpenter just had...

 

One season Carpenter has put up good ridiculously good numbers [and I'll admit, he's had a GREAT year], and you put him above Cano automatically? For ONE season? Cano has sustained his offensive numbers for the last five seasons WHILE playing Gold Glove defense [won both GG and SS two of last three years], yet Matt Carpenter, playing in his true first full season, is better just because of what he's done this year? I don't follow this one, I'm sorry.

 

 

 

 

My list, and argument, was based on PRESENT DAY. As in, this season holds more weight than any in the top 10 rankings of the best players in baseball right now.

 

Again, I actually think Cano is a top 10 player (although not top 5). But the argument can be made that his is not, and any player that is arguably not top 10 in the game (and has never been considered the best player in baseball by anyone) is not worth $300 Million.

 

Just to put that number in to perspective, it's almost double what Miguel Cabrera was paid when the Tigers extended him.

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OK, present day does put more weight on the most recent season [which would include this year], but it usually also includes the two seasons before that to see if this one might be an outlier. In that case, Cano probably makes the top 5 on most lists excluding pitchers. In fact, when you exclude pitchers, Cano was placed as #5 [#8 overall] coming into this season by MLB Network out of 100 players [69 positions players]. Can that change? Definitely. The top 10 position players were, in order:

 

1. Trout [#1]

2. Cabrera [#3]

3. Kemp [he'll be out] [#4]

4. Braun [might be out] [#6]

5. Cano [#8]

6. Votto [#9]

7. Hamilton [might be out] [#10]

8. Fielder [may stay in] [#11]

9. Beltre [#13]

10. Pujols [#14] [probably dropping out after this year]

(Stanton was next, and #15 overall)

 

Your list [which apparently wasn't yours?] included McCutchen at #3 [13th hitter, 17th overall on MLBN], Carlos Gonzalez [21st hitter, 30th overall], Mauer [28/38], Goldschmidt [i'll actually agree on this one, top 10 hitter], Yadier Molina [17/24], and Wright [15/22]. Just throwing that out there.

 

So Kemp, Braun, Hamilton, and Pujols will drop out, let's put Davis, Goldschmidt, and Molina in there somewhere. My point is, Cano is top 5, and will stay top 5, since his season this year was consistent with his last three.

 

Miguel Cabrera was also 24 years old when he signed that deal, and also wasn't considered the best hitter in baseball at that time. Now he's on the verge of winning his third straight batting title and won a triple crown and MVP last year. If they had to extend him NOW, you'd have to imagine it'd be near or more than $300,000,000.

 

And again, nobody disagreed with the "he's not worth $300 million" argument.

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McCutchen is amazing. And I think (without really running the numbers) that Cano could be worth $30M/year, although probably not over 10 years.

 

 

I might agree with that... Maybe for 4 or 5 years into his mid 30's. But if ANY team gives a player over 30 a 10 year contract the GM should be terminated immediately.

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That's retarded. He's not even one of the top 5-10 players in the game right now IMO.

 

 

He is the best 2B in the game.

 

 

That's arguable with the season Matt Carpenter just had...

 

And being the best 2B in the game doesn't mean you're entitled to $300 Million. He is the best at his position, but not even a top 10 player in baseball overall. What makes him deserving of more money than Albert Pujols, arguably the greatest player of a generation?

 

 

 

You are correct here. He is a borderline top ten and not worth anything near 300

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