September 28, 201312 yr Bottom-line was that Beinfest wanted Miller and wanted Maybin and Detroit said yes, at that time no one thought Maybin would be a bust and that Miller would struggle as he did...he actually was pitching pretty well out of the bullpen for the Red sox until he got injured . It seems like his potential will never come to fruition. At the time I heard very little complaint about the trade in this forum. If my memory serves me Beinfest was reportedly requesting Kershaw from the Dodgers at that time and his name went off the table BTW it was a CF The Marlins were trying to get at the time to be more specific I didn't expect Maybin and Miller to be the busts that they were, but at the time I felt that the Marlins should have tried harder to deal with one of the LA teams--particularly the Dodgers. I think that they had great talent that was far less risky to acquire. It sounds like the Marlins couldn't work out a deal with the Dodgers because they wanted more than Kemp and Kershaw.
September 28, 201312 yr Bottom-line was that Beinfest wanted Miller and wanted Maybin and Detroit said yes, at that time no one thought Maybin would be a bust and that Miller would struggle as he did...he actually was pitching pretty well out of the bullpen for the Red sox until he got injured . It seems like his potential will never come to fruition. At the time I heard very little complaint about the trade in this forum. If my memory serves me Beinfest was reportedly requesting Kershaw from the Dodgers at that time and his name went off the table BTW it was a CF The Marlins were trying to get at the time to be more specific I didn't expect Maybin and Miller to be the busts that they were, but at the time I felt that the Marlins should have tried harder to deal with one of the LA teams--particularly the Dodgers. I think that they had great talent that was far less risky to acquire. It sounds like the Marlins couldn't work out a deal with the Dodgers because they wanted more than Kemp and Kershaw. I don't have proof on hand, but I think they also wanted Ethier and Billingsley.
September 28, 201312 yr I'm happy. I like Beinfest but it's time for a change. I'm hoping Loria conducts an interview process with other candidates rather than just hiring Jennings. Been so long since we had to hire a GM. Wonder if they have to go through that equal opportunity crap like with a manager.
September 28, 201312 yr We were also offered Justin Verlander and Curtis Granderson after Dontrelle's '05 season [just for Dontrelle]. But, again, hindsight, 20/20. I've said this many times in the past, but there is no reason on earth to turn down that trade proposal at the time it was made (if it indeed was made). Not even close to being a hindsight 20/20 scenario. Thats true. The only reason I can think for not making that trade is because Dontrelle was so popular here, but you want your GM to make the best baseball move.
September 28, 201312 yr We were also offered Justin Verlander and Curtis Granderson after Dontrelle's '05 season [just for Dontrelle]. But, again, hindsight, 20/20. I think this was just a rumor.
September 29, 201312 yr If Miggy were still here, he would: 1- Be making $25MM a year 2- Be pushing 300 lbs 3- Be hitting maybe .280 4- Be a part time 1B, and 5- Be untradeable Cancer is often fatal. LB did what he had to do, and Maybin & LHP just didn't pan out. Such is life. Nothing you said is accurate.agree with marlin2266. Miggy would not be the player he is if he'd stayed in miami. The lousy and sparse crowds would've caused him to lose interest. He never would have matured here and dedicated himself to make the most of his God-given talents here.
September 29, 201312 yr If Miggy were still here, he would: 1- Be making $25MM a year 2- Be pushing 300 lbs 3- Be hitting maybe .280 4- Be a part time 1B, and 5- Be untradeable Cancer is often fatal. LB did what he had to do, and Maybin & LHP just didn't pan out. Such is life. Nothing you said is accurate.agree with marlin2266. Miggy would not be the player he is if he'd stayed in miami. The lousy and sparse crowds would've caused him to lose interest. He never would have matured here and dedicated himself to make the most of his God-given talents here. That's not surprising considering you're a troll.
September 29, 201312 yr Miggy is a special one in a lifetime player... Drunk fat and stupid he will still hit .320 30 Hr and 100 RBIs. He is that much of a freak....I am so happy he is doing well. He really looks happy now. I hope he wins it all this year with Detroit
September 29, 201312 yr Bottom-line was that Beinfest wanted Miller and wanted Maybin and Detroit said yes, at that time no one thought Maybin would be a bust and that Miller would struggle as he did...he actually was pitching pretty well out of the bullpen for the Red sox until he got injured . It seems like his potential will never come to fruition. At the time I heard very little complaint about the trade in this forum. If my memory serves me Beinfest was reportedly requesting Kershaw from the Dodgers at that time and his name went off the table BTW it was a CF The Marlins were trying to get at the time to be more specific I didn't expect Maybin and Miller to be the busts that they were, but at the time I felt that the Marlins should have tried harder to deal with one of the LA teams--particularly the Dodgers. I think that they had great talent that was far less risky to acquire. It sounds like the Marlins couldn't work out a deal with the Dodgers because they wanted more than Kemp and Kershaw. I don't have proof on hand, but I think they also wanted Ethier and Billingsley. I want to say the Dodger trade offered was... Loney, LaRoche, Ethier, Billingsly, Nobody But the one Beinfest demanded was... Kemp, Kershaw, LaRoche, Loney And I think the Dodgers were willing to do the above trade with several different combinations of 3 of those players, but would not include Kemp AND Kershaw together, only one.
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself.
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. Marisnick actually has had it together for his whole minor league career excluding the 2012 season. And he's been rushed. Hechavarria is 24 years old, not 26 or 27. Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter with potential to be more - but every team still needs a 5th starter. You also forgot that we received Justin Nicolino and Anthony DeSclafani (our MiLB pitcher of the year,) and those two show significant promise. I don't see how you can say that they're irrelevant...
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. You do know that one of the "other prospects" is a top 100 prospect and one of the best LHP prospects in the game, and the other was literally just names our Organizational Pitcher of the Year... right? And Marisnick was expected to take time. The three best players in that trade haven't been able to make any impact yet.
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. Henderson Alvarez after coming back from injury has pitched extremely well. He has locked down a spot in the rotation for 2014 I don't believe that anyone will be able to keep Mathis from being our opening day catcher unless Brantley has a huge comeback Nicholino and Marisnick should start factoring in by the end of next season. I will say Beinfest did his job with that trade
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. Henderson Alvarez after coming back from injury has pitched extremely well. He has locked down a spot in the rotation for 2014 I don't believe that anyone will be able to keep Mathis from being our opening day catcher unless Brantley has a huge comeback Nicholino and Marisnick should start factoring in by the end of next season. I will say Beinfest did his job with that trade I REALLY hope you're wrong.
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. Henderson Alvarez after coming back from injury has pitched extremely well. He has locked down a spot in the rotation for 2014 I don't believe that anyone will be able to keep Mathis from being our opening day catcher unless Brantley has a huge comeback Nicholino and Marisnick should start factoring in by the end of next season. I will say Beinfest did his job with that trade I REALLY hope you're wrong. There really isn't anything out there available right now n the F/A market...wanna bring back Olivo or a 35+ y/o catcher http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/potential-free-agents-for-2014/ Catchers Rod Barajas Henry Blanco John Buck Jesus Flores Ramon Hernandez Gerald Laird Brian McCann Jose Molina Dioner Navarro Wil Nieves Miguel Olivo Ronny Paulino Brayan Pena A.J. Pierzynski Humberto Quintero Carlos Ruiz Jarrod Saltalamacchia Kelly Shoppach Chris Snyder Geovany Soto Kurt Suzuki * Yorvit Torrealba because they are not gonna sign McCann
September 29, 201312 yr Well, Mathis is being credited as a big part of our pitching staff's development - and for all we know it could've been a bluff on Beinfest's part. Remember that Anthropolous had a hard time giving him up as well. Also, people always rave about AA's skill as a GM, but Beinfest probably won that trade. I don't think Beinfest was terrible. I dont think there were any winners in that trade. Hechavarria is awful in almost every way and isnt some young man(he turns 26 or 27 this year IIRC). Henderson Alvarez is a 5th starter. Marisnick is all tools and yet to put them together for any length of time. They failed to get either D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. Jeff Mathis is a backup catcher. The other prospects are irrelevant. The only positive of that trade is that it freed up money, but when you realize Loria has no interest in actually re-investing the savings, even that is not much of a win in and of itself. Henderson Alvarez after coming back from injury has pitched extremely well. He has locked down a spot in the rotation for 2014 I don't believe that anyone will be able to keep Mathis from being our opening day catcher unless Brantley has a huge comeback Nicholino and Marisnick should start factoring in by the end of next season. I will say Beinfest did his job with that trade I REALLY hope you're wrong. There really isn't anything out there available right now n the F/A market...wanna bring back Olivo or a 35+ y/o catcher http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/potential-free-agents-for-2014/ Catchers Rod Barajas Henry Blanco John Buck Jesus Flores Ramon Hernandez Gerald Laird Brian McCann Jose Molina Dioner Navarro Wil Nieves Miguel Olivo Ronny Paulino Brayan Pena A.J. Pierzynski Humberto Quintero Carlos Ruiz Jarrod Saltalamacchia Kelly Shoppach Chris Snyder Geovany Soto Kurt Suzuki * Yorvit Torrealba because they are not gonna sign McCann A lot of those guys are very signable, and I would take a large number of them over what we have. My realistic choices (McCann not being realistic) would be Carlos Ruiz or Brayan Pena...
September 29, 201312 yr Carlos Ruiz won't come here, either. If we could get Saltalamacchia, that'd be cool.
September 29, 201312 yr Carlos Ruiz won't come here, either. If we could get Saltalamacchia, that'd be cool. Too many letters, I don't want to have to type it in game recaps.
September 29, 201312 yr Carlos Ruiz won't come here, either. If we could get Saltalamacchia, that'd be cool. No way he leaves Boston. Like I said, I was tyring to be realistic. Ruiz may not come here, but his future in Philly is up in the air... you never know.
September 29, 201312 yr Carlos Ruiz won't come here, either. If we could get Saltalamacchia, that'd be cool. Why wouldn't Ruiz come here?
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