November 4, 201312 yr This concept that circulates around the streets of Miami that: A) Stanton played subpar last year because hes upset and doesn't want to be with the team and B) Stanton would never sign with the Marlins long term In my opinion those sentiments are bull. He's still under club control and has not had his big payday yet. If we offered him something like 7/100 he would be foregoing at least an additional 6-9 million a year depending what happens in arbitration. No one refuses that kind of money. I think most of us are in agreement that if he gets a fair long-term deal that he's going to sign. He just can't be that stupid. Dan Uggla rejected a fair long-term deal. Dan Uggla is also a complete douche. Uggla was also in a different spot in his career than Stanton. Uggla knew because of his age that his next deal would be the only big long term deal he would have in his career. Stanton on the other hand can sign for 7 years with us now and still be young enough to sign a second big money long term deal (assuming he stays healthy of course).
November 5, 201312 yr This concept that circulates around the streets of Miami that: A) Stanton played subpar last year because hes upset and doesn't want to be with the team and B) Stanton would never sign with the Marlins long term In my opinion those sentiments are bull. He's still under club control and has not had his big payday yet. If we offered him something like 7/100 he would be foregoing at least an additional 6-9 million a year depending what happens in arbitration. No one refuses that kind of money. I think most of us are in agreement that if he gets a fair long-term deal that he's going to sign. He just can't be that stupid. Dan Uggla rejected a fair long-term deal. Dan Uggla is also a complete douche. Uggla was also in a different spot in his career than Stanton. Uggla knew because of his age that his next deal would be the only big long term deal he would have in his career. Stanton on the other hand can sign for 7 years with us now and still be young enough to sign a second big money long term deal (assuming he stays healthy of course). This. Uggla was a different situation.
November 5, 201312 yr I'm glad Uggla went elsewhere, but players do turn down fair multiyear deals. But that's usually when they think they can get a better deal right away from some other team. Stanton won't be in that situation - unless of course the Marlins wait too long.
November 5, 201312 yr Too many of you are getting your hopes up by assuming Stanton would definitely sign a long-term deal. The teammates he would always hang out with and hit the clubs with, are gone. We know of his desire to go back home and he couldn't possibly trust this organization to "build" anything, especially since they have no plans to sign any big names. If I were him, I wouldn't sign anything until this organization proves they're able to build a championship contender and fast.
November 5, 201312 yr Uggla wanted 5/71 from us. Such a weird number. If I'm not mistaken its cuz Hanley got $70 million. Turning down the offer is one thing, but specifically asking for one million more than the teams other top player is a total d*ck move. I've despised uggla since then, despite what I think of Hanley himself.
November 5, 201312 yr You are correct. He left because we wouldn't give him 5 or 71, the 71 being his childish idea of a way to prove he was worth a mill more than Hanley. And a good thing, too. We got his best seasons, he's been all downhill ever since. The decision to let Uggla walk is an example of something Loria, et al did that was the right thing to do. Suck it ATL. They bought into an aging guy at his absolute peak and now have a $26 million penalty to pay for a guy who wasn't even worth putting on their post-season roster.
November 5, 201312 yr Too many of you are getting your hopes up by assuming Stanton would definitely sign a long-term deal. The teammates he would always hang out with and hit the clubs with, are gone. We know of his desire to go back home and he couldn't possibly trust this organization to "build" anything, especially since they have no plans to sign any big names. If I were him, I wouldn't sign anything until this organization proves they're able to build a championship contender and fast. One reason that players almost always go for the most money, even when they have reasons not to, is undoubtedly that their agents urge them to. Agents themselves don't have much reason to encourage a player to wait a year or more for a deal that may be more pleasing to the player's sensitivities.
November 5, 201312 yr Too many of you are getting your hopes up by assuming Stanton would definitely sign a long-term deal. The teammates he would always hang out with and hit the clubs with, are gone. We know of his desire to go back home and he couldn't possibly trust this organization to "build" anything, especially since they have no plans to sign any big names. If I were him, I wouldn't sign anything until this organization proves they're able to build a championship contender and fast. Were you there? I mean, judging by Twitter, he's got a lot of close friends on the team. I think him and AJ Ramos went to Europe together or something after the season. I just saw a bunch of twitter pics of him at LoMo's wedding hanging out with Yelich and Marisnick. He and Yelich I think are close now, both young California kids... I don't think a lack of friends is the reason why he wouldn't sign. We all knew after the fire sale that a year later, after he settled in with his new teammates, he'd get over it.
November 5, 201312 yr There's also the factor that Stanton has been injury prone. From his perspective and his agent's perspective I would think putting off a big pay day by a year or more may also be risky. Say he turns down 7/100 then gets hurt and misses a year. That may affect any future deals.
November 6, 201312 yr There's also the factor that Stanton has been injury prone. From his perspective and his agent's perspective I would think putting off a big pay day by a year or more may also be risky. Say he turns down 7/100 then gets hurt and misses a year. That may affect any future deals. Nailed it.
November 6, 201312 yr I read the other day that Loria just sold a painting for 32 million at an art auction, so expect that Stanton offer any day now.
November 7, 201312 yr I read the other day that Loria just sold a painting for 32 million at an art auction, so expect that Stanton offer any day now. Downpayment on Saltalamacchia
November 7, 201312 yr I read the other day that Loria just sold a painting for 32 million at an art auction, so expect that Stanton offer any day now. Downpayment on Saltalamacchia Salty doesn't look promising, I have a feeling he's heading back to Bean Town.
November 7, 201312 yr he wasn't promising in the first place. you are way too high on a 30 year old catcher who had a career year in a contract year and who has been awful the rest of his career.
November 8, 201312 yr he wasn't promising in the first place. you are way too high on a 30 year old catcher who had a career year in a contract year and who has been awful the rest of his career. I mean, if you're going to call me out at least get facts right. I see a 28-year-old catcher that just had a career year entering his prime. And as I just mentioned in another thread, I'm sure there's more than a few GM's that will probably agree. Evidence will be the contract he signs.
November 8, 201312 yr The decision to let Uggla walk is an example of something Loria, et al did that was the right thing to do. Be careful saying nice things about Loria he could still trade for him back
November 8, 201312 yr because GMs always make good decisions. No, but the worst move is to do nothing when your team needs help. The GM that doesn't make a ballsy move or two is the one looking for a job.
November 8, 201312 yr because GMs always make good decisions. No, but the worst move is to do nothing when your team needs help. The GM that doesn't make a ballsy move or two is the one looking for a job. Ultimately GMs are constrained by their owners though. You can have the best GM, but if your owner isn't willing to get behind his decisions and/or pony up the cash, it's a waste
November 8, 201312 yr because GMs always make good decisions. No, but the worst move is to do nothing when your team needs help. The GM that doesn't make a ballsy move or two is the one looking for a job. Signing Saltalamacchia wouldnt be bold. It would be dumb.
November 8, 201312 yr because GMs always make good decisions. No, but the worst move is to do nothing when your team needs help. The GM that doesn't make a ballsy move or two is the one looking for a job. Ultimately GMs are constrained by their owners though. You can have the best GM, but if your owner isn't willing to get behind his decisions and/or pony up the cash, it's a waste I mean, good GM's seem to find ways to be creative and get around that issue. The post season this year alone was a good example of a few teams with payroll constraints that figured out a way to win (Pirates, Rays, A's, Indians, etc)
November 12, 201312 yr Dave Cameron over at FanGraphs thinks Stanton would turn down a Marlins offer. I just don't get it... I suppose if Stanton turned down an offer, the thinking might be that the Marlins FO wouldn't want to hang onto him since everyone would be sour and so they'd just immediately trade him and then his new team would soon work out an extension... guess that's a possibility. But there's no assurance the Marlins would trade him immediately, and then he could theoretically be playing out a season or two while leaving all that money on the table with the risk of injury.
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