On my phone so can't post link. But seriously fucklLoria

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-marlins-live-down-to-their-reputation/

This goes up there with some of the worst trades the Marlins have ever made.

On my computer now. I mean seriously, this front office is the biggest piece of shit. This article is absolutely infuriating and proves what a bunch of fucking idiots run this team.

This goes up there with some of the worst trades the Marlins have ever made.

Probably not, but it's just so completely unnecessary. The Morris for draft pick part if this was already not great, but then after they used that money saved to get Gregg, I mean wtf.

More people should read this article. While I think the "scam" on the people of Miami is overdone, the rest seems spot-on.

Good article. He really did a great job of explaining the idiocy of the trade.

I tried to give a damn about them this year. My heart still wants to, but at this point we have to understand this organization is managed poorly and expectations we set are too much.

The draft pick is one player. Bryan Morris and Kevin Gregg...that's two players! For the price of one! Would you pass up on a 2-for-1 deal? C'mon guys!

The draft pick is one player. Bryan Morris and Kevin Gregg...that's two players! For the price of one! Would you pass up on a 2-for-1 deal? C'mon guys!

Exactly, finally some common sense around here.

I'm not gonna sit here and act as if I have any idea who Bryan Morris is but everyone on this board also ripped the lomo for carter Capps trade and before his injury he made it seem like a great trade especially considering lomo stinks.

 

I think this trade is more about how unfair the mlb draft system is. The marlins clearly gave up the draft pick because they already have a bunch of picks early and either don't have the money or don't want to spend the money. It is incredibly unfair to lower payroll teams that there isn't a set signing figure for each spot in the draft because it means the higher payroll teams have access to more players.

 

While I understand the criticism of the return I think it is misguided and it should be redirected to the bad system the draft has for paying players

I'm not gonna sit here and act as if I have any idea who Bryan Morris is but everyone on this board also ripped the lomo for carter Capps trade and before his injury he made it seem like a great trade especially considering lomo stinks.

 

I think this trade is more about how unfair the mlb draft system is. The marlins clearly gave up the draft pick because they already have a bunch of picks early and either don't have the money or don't want to spend the money. It is incredibly unfair to lower payroll teams that there isn't a set signing figure for each spot in the draft because it means the higher payroll teams have access to more players.

 

While I understand the criticism of the return I think it is misguided and it should be redirected to the bad system the draft has for paying players

 

Erick and I, among others, were very happy with the Capps trade so you're wrong about that.

 

The draft pick trade was a salary dump to free up money for a dude who sucks and that's really all there is to it. It's really quite egregious they did this. I could care less about signing Gregg (even though there are clearly better options), but the fact that motherfucker Loria made the FO give away a draft pick to do so is ridiculous.

Even if we make it simple and look at it as trading the draft pick for Bryan Morris and Kevin Gregg, that's still horrible. Both of those guys are below average with seemingly a replacement level ceiling. Will the 39th pick ever be an impact player in the Majors? Will he even make it to AA before quitting professional baseball? Doesn't matter, because the bottom line is that 39th pick has the potential to become a good baseball player. Morris and Gregg are bad (comparatively) baseball players, neither of which should really have a job on a Major League roster.

If the 39th pick ends up being a just slightly over replacement level player, this was a horrible trade.

If the 39th pick never picks up a baseball or a baseball bat again in his life after being drafted, this was still a horrible trade.

 

Ends and means, folks.

but everyone on this board also ripped the lomo for carter Capps trade and before his injury he made it seem like a great trade especially considering lomo stinks.

 

That's bullshit.

I'm not gonna sit here and act as if I have any idea who Bryan Morris is but everyone on this board also ripped the lomo for carter Capps trade and before his injury he made it seem like a great trade especially considering lomo stinks.

 

Prove it

It's not a bad system it's a bad owner. The fact that the slots are a recommendation and not a set figure actually helps the Marlins. This way they can still low ball their draft picks. It actually gives them flexibility. Plus if they don't sign the pick they get it back the next draft. See Matt Krook and Ben Deluzio. There is little risk for the Marlins because of that . In my opinion the system is designed to help the lower payroll teams. Not to mention that our payroll is already so much lower than every other teams that this should not be an issue for the Marlins.

Really makes me wonder what the conversation went like in the front office that led to this.

Lol, I think most people thought getting anything for Lomo was good, let alone an arm with upside

What pisses me off about Logan Morrison is he seemed to completely forget what made him a top prospet in the first place. He was a patient hitter with gap power and was quite successful at that...he worked counts, drew walks, and was just an all around solid hitter. Got to the majors and was that for like a season and a half and then *poof* no more.

What pisses me off about Logan Morrison is he seemed to completely forget what made him a top prospet in the first place. He was a patient hitter with gap power and was quite successful at that...he worked counts, drew walks, and was just an all around solid hitter. Got to the majors and was that for like a season and a half and then *poof* no more.

Eduardo Perez can be thanked for that. He wanted Morrison to hit for more power and become pull-happy, basically.

Just to clarify cuz I'm not entirely sure how this works... how did trading the draft pick free the money up? I thought that alloted money for the draft pick could only be used for the draft pick? Any team can trade away a pick and just keep the money from that slot? That's a bit ridiculous. Where did that money come from to begin with? And I know Loria is the extreme here but I'm pretty surprised more teams don't try this dirty tactic every so often.

If you don't have any given pick, you don't have to spend any money on it.

 

The money would have come from the team owner's pocket. If you have that pick. We don't, so it won't.

 

Kevin Gregg is very happy as he thinks we'll be paying him the 1.4 mill for 4 months. More likely we'll pay him a small part of that, considering that he will likely fail within a month, which would cost about 350K. Cheap at twice the price. Probably better that they never signed him.

 

Then again, at age 36 Gregg may turn out to be the greatest set-up guy ever. Or not.

So if that pick money still comes from the owner, they could have signed Greg without trading away that pick. It's not like trading away that pick magically freed up that money right? I guess it's like going to the grocery store to buy milk and deciding not to buy the milk and to just spend the money on cookies? Meaning the milk money was still money and didn't necessarily have to be spent on milk but it was just budgeted to be going towards the milk. Oh my god. This may have been the dumbest thing I've ever written. I'd delete it but I've already gone too far.

that was beautiful

Trading away that pick DID free up that money. But they could have signed Gregg, regardless. And probably would have.

 

However, this is the Marlins and we wanted chocolate cake and ice cream. We got spoiled milk and a stale cookie.