November 15, 20196 yr I believe he'll certainly get over 4/60mil. I really don't see him signing in Miami for 15mil per as I'm sure there will be at least a handful of other teams offering that and with all things considered - why would you want to play for a team that just lost 100+ games when you can go to a competitive team with far more robust fan support at home games? If the Marlins offered something like 4/70-72 I would take that as a far more serious sign they are making a good faith effort to sign a notable FA. They're going to have to overpay a bit compared to other teams - not by some astronomical amount but it'll likely cost them a bit more. Offering a 4/60 deal is not a legit effort to sign him because he's bound to get that same offer from other teams. Offering him 4/$60 is the textbook definition of a legit attempt to sign him. That's around where he should be, absent some crazy offer from someone else. Also who else is offering that money? Are the Marlins afforded an opportunity to counter in your hypothetical? If three teams offer that and they raise their offer is that satisfying a good faith effort then? He's also from South Florida and the Marlins do have a lot of hope to sell, even with the 2021 team. Portraying them solely as a 100 loss team is difficult when there is a ton of talent coming. The farm is legitimately deep. Likewise, the Marlins frontloading a deal is a higher value deal than backloading a deal, as money now is worth more than money in 2023. That alone could set them apart if they are smart enough to do it, let alone adding in a few more dollars overall. With no state income tax. We'll see what happens, but you're being a bit too critical of the Marlins here. We need to see what they'll do. I just want them to be smart with their signings and try and create some value down the road versus them just pocketing money to pay off debt. They need to "build."
November 16, 20196 yr Cubs payroll is probably around $185 million next year, and they need to give Baez and Bryant new deals. They ain’t signing Castellanos. they are probably moving bryant as it is
November 16, 20196 yr Call up Scott. Offer up 4/75 for Nick. Front Load it. Offer an opt out after year 2. Include a vesting option for year 5. Announce it at the Winter Meetings next month.
November 16, 20196 yr Maybe we sign NiCa (Nicolas Castellanos) to play 1B and sign another really OF (Big Bear).
November 16, 20196 yr Offering him 4/$60 is the textbook definition of a legit attempt to sign him. That's around where he should be, absent some crazy offer from someone else. Also who else is offering that money? Are the Marlins afforded an opportunity to counter in your hypothetical? If three teams offer that and they raise their offer is that satisfying a good faith effort then? He's also from South Florida and the Marlins do have a lot of hope to sell, even with the 2021 team. Portraying them solely as a 100 loss team is difficult when there is a ton of talent coming. The farm is legitimately deep. Likewise, the Marlins frontloading a deal is a higher value deal than backloading a deal, as money now is worth more than money in 2023. That alone could set them apart if they are smart enough to do it, let alone adding in a few more dollars overall. With no state income tax. We'll see what happens, but you're being a bit too critical of the Marlins here. We need to see what they'll do. I just want them to be smart with their signings and try and create some value down the road versus them just pocketing money to pay off debt. They need to "build." 4/60 would be a legit offer from a playoff contender but it would not be a legit attempt from Miami because there's no fan base, the team lost 100 games with no guarantee they'll get better other than the hope prospects continually improve, and the team will likely not be a playoff contender for a few more years. I'm fairly positive there will be multiple teams that offer him 4/60 type deals but with a better chance to be on a better team. If Miami just offers what the other teams are offering then that's not really a legit attempt at signing considering the team still sucks and has zero fan support at games. It would be a steal if they got him for 4/60 though. Here's hoping it's a slow offseason again like last in terms of offers to the bigger names out there and maybe they could snag him at that price.
November 16, 20196 yr Likewise, the Marlins frontloading a deal is a higher value deal than backloading a deal, as money now is worth more than money in 2023. That alone could set them apart if they are smart enough to do it, let alone adding in a few more dollars overall. With no state income tax. How many teams are honestly front-loading contracts though? The last one I can remember was the Cardinals doing it with Johnny Peralta. It makes a heck of a lot of sense to do so but I just don't see them doing it.
November 16, 20196 yr 4/60 would be a legit offer from a playoff contender but it would not be a legit attempt from Miami because there's no fan base, the team lost 100 games with no guarantee they'll get better other than the hope prospects continually improve, and the team will likely not be a playoff contender for a few more years. I'm fairly positive there will be multiple teams that offer him 4/60 type deals but with a better chance to be on a better team. If Miami just offers what the other teams are offering then that's not really a legit attempt at signing considering the team still sucks and has zero fan support at games. It would be a steal if they got him for 4/60 though. Here's hoping it's a slow offseason again like last in terms of offers to the bigger names out there and maybe they could snag him at that price. I don't really agree with any of this but the last sentence, but we can agree to disagree. 4/$60 is a competitive offer and the Marlins have he's from here, no state income tax, possibly frontloaded, etc.
November 16, 20196 yr How many teams are honestly front-loading contracts though? The last one I can remember was the Cardinals doing it with Johnny Peralta. It makes a heck of a lot of sense to do so but I just don't see them doing it. They don't, and that's why they should do it. They need to create value however they can.
November 18, 20196 yr https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynemcdonnell/2019/11/18/miami-marlins-need-to-seriously-pursue-nicholas-castellanos-as-an--offensive-upgrade/#34e064bd34a0
November 18, 20196 yr What logjam? There's talent but it's never guaranteed so who is Castellanos blocking? Bring him aboard and let the rest of the bunch sort themselves out. It's a good problem to have if you have a logjam of talent.
November 18, 20196 yr What logjam? There's talent but it's never guaranteed so who is Castellanos blocking? Bring him aboard and let the rest of the bunch sort themselves out. It's a good problem to have if you have a logjam of talent.
November 18, 20196 yr 4/60 would be a legit offer from a playoff contender but it would not be a legit attempt from Miami because there's no fan base, the team lost 100 games with no guarantee they'll get better other than the hope prospects continually improve, and the team will likely not be a playoff contender for a few more years. I'm fairly positive there will be multiple teams that offer him 4/60 type deals but with a better chance to be on a better team. If Miami just offers what the other teams are offering then that's not really a legit attempt at signing considering the team still sucks and has zero fan support at games. It would be a steal if they got him for 4/60 though. Here's hoping it's a slow offseason again like last in terms of offers to the bigger names out there and maybe they could snag him at that price. You offer and give them a chance to counter offer. If even contenders aren't offering 4/60, you'd want us to pay more just because? How many teams are honestly front-loading contracts though? The last one I can remember was the Cardinals doing it with Johnny Peralta. It makes a heck of a lot of sense to do so but I just don't see them doing it. Doesn't seem to happen often these days, but then again, most teams signing guys already have significant contracts on the books in the present, so they sort of have to back load (or "even load") in order to keep payroll under control for given years.
November 19, 20196 yr What logjam? There's talent but it's never guaranteed so who is Castellanos blocking? Bring him aboard and let the rest of the bunch sort themselves out. It's a good problem to have if you have a logjam of talent. Even if every player they have works out, his competition for PA are all lefties - Lewin, Sanchez, Bleday. This would easily work itself out. There is an easy 500+ PA for Castellanos here. And 2 other guys. And the 4th is probably 400ish. Where's the problem? None of these dudes are Bregman and have to play everyday and I welcome that issue. Verdugo didn't get 400 for the Dodgers last year and he was awesome. Likewise, what if Sanchez can dabble in CF which could be a thing?
November 20, 20196 yr Likewise, what if Sanchez can dabble in CF which could be a thing? This is a family sport. He can dabble on his own time.
November 21, 20196 yr do you think he can hit a trash can ? Only if you tell him what pitch the trash can is being thrown as.
December 9, 20196 yr [MEDIA=twitter]1204052133915455488[/MEDIA] Great, where's the 100 million payroll ?
December 9, 20196 yr Frisaro made it up probably. The year we actually get to $100M, Frisaro will say "Marlins expected to push payroll to $250M."
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