July 23, 200422 yr Tonight: 0.1 IP, 1 HA, 2 BB - bad July 20: 2 IP, 1 HA, 0 BB, 3 K - good July 18: 0 IP, 3 HA, 2 ER - bad July 11: 1.2 IP, 0 HA, O BB, 4 K - good
July 23, 200422 yr fox and his awesome ERA over 6 this season....I'm really not one of those people who was wishing fox was here...I had a feeling last year was a bit of a fluke...that era this season was obviously inflated (he's only pitched like 11 innings), but I did not have high expectations.
July 23, 200422 yr i think koch will be ok and he will be able help us out a lot, atleast he is doing better than when he first got here, he keeps improving but he is kind of like Willis a little inconsistent but i think both will be ok.
July 23, 200422 yr Fox was lights out at the start of the season, his ERA went up because his last 2 or 3 outings he got shelled because the elbow was bothering him. I think things would be a lot different for us if Fox hadn't gotten hurt.
July 23, 200422 yr Fox's first 8 innings a total of 1 earned run. His last 3 innings 7, so obviously the elbow was the reason for his struggles.
July 23, 200422 yr Tonight: 0.1 IP, 1 HA, 2 BB - bad July 20: 2 IP, 1 HA, 0 BB, 3 K - good July 18: 0 IP, 3 HA, 2 ER - bad July 11: 1.2 IP, 0 HA, O BB, 4 K - good 471532[/snapback] You forgot to put the 4 good outings that he had before july 11th. Koch is improving and right now in the season that matters a lot.
July 23, 200422 yr i would take fox over kock any day......fox is by far a way better pitcher.....the only reason his era is 6 is because at the end he was playing trough injury.....COME BACK CHAD WE NEED YOU
July 23, 200422 yr Tonight: 0.1 IP, 1 HA, 2 BB - bad July 20: 2 IP, 1 HA, 0 BB, 3 K - good July 18: 0 IP, 3 HA, 2 ER - bad July 11: 1.2 IP, 0 HA, O BB, 4 K - good 471532[/snapback] This isn't inconsistency. This is the sign of a bad pitcher. A 50% chance of a good outing for a pitcher is bad... period. Pitchers who have consistently bad outings aren't Major League pitchers. Major League pitchers that are only good half the time, are bad Major League pitchers. Why do we even discuss this? Koch may come around yet, but to date, he has not been inconsitent, but rather, he has just been bad. Today was flat out horrible. Oh, and Koch has been bad... :thumbdown
July 23, 200422 yr Tonight: 0.1 IP, 1 HA, 2 BB - bad July 20: 2 IP, 1 HA, 0 BB, 3 K - good July 18: 0 IP, 3 HA, 2 ER - bad July 11: 1.2 IP, 0 HA, O BB, 4 K - good 471532[/snapback] This isn't inconsistency. This is the sign of a bad pitcher. A 50% chance of a good outing for a pitcher is bad... period. Pitchers who have consistently bad outings aren't Major League pitchers. Major League pitchers that are only good half the time, are bad Major League pitchers. Why do we even discuss this? Koch may come around yet, but to date, he has not been inconsitent, but rather, he has just been bad. Today was flat out horrible. Oh, and Koch has been bad... :thumbdown 471633[/snapback] i agree. his WHIP of 1.8 or so is unseemly and by no means major league caliber... he's lucky his ERA isn't yet off the charts. i don't know what sort of funk he is in, but he has been mired in it for 2 seasons now. i can't imagine him being a fit for the setup role.
July 23, 200422 yr Inconsistent.... Where are you CHAD FOX ???????? 471542[/snapback] He's on the DL and probably won't ever pitch again because he was overused at the end of last season.
July 23, 200422 yr I think Ramp is essentially correct here. It's his mechanics. Anyone who watched the game yesterday afternoon couldn't help but notice that he'd be on one side of the rubber one pitch, somewhere else the next, he almost fell over on a couple of pitches he was so off-balanced. In short he never established his rhythm nor mimiced his delivery from one pitch to the next. Pitchers need to be machines, using a repetitive motion for ball control. Koch seems to be unable to do this from one appearance to the next.
July 23, 200422 yr fox and his awesome ERA over 6 this season....I'm really not one of those people who was wishing fox was here...I had a feeling last year was a bit of a fluke...that era this season was obviously inflated (he's only pitched like 11 innings), but I did not have high expectations. 471545[/snapback] Fox is the man. Look how many K's he had this year in those 11 innings. He just had a bad start because of his arm problems. Chad Fox is with doubt our best reliever not named Benitez. Too bad it looks like his career is over.
July 23, 200422 yr Tonight: 0.1 IP, 1 HA, 2 BB - bad July 20: 2 IP, 1 HA, 0 BB, 3 K - good July 18: 0 IP, 3 HA, 2 ER - bad July 11: 1.2 IP, 0 HA, O BB, 4 K - good 471532[/snapback] This isn't inconsistency. This is the sign of a bad pitcher. A 50% chance of a good outing for a pitcher is bad... period. Pitchers who have consistently bad outings aren't Major League pitchers. Major League pitchers that are only good half the time, are bad Major League pitchers. Why do we even discuss this? Koch may come around yet, but to date, he has not been inconsitent, but rather, he has just been bad. Today was flat out horrible. Oh, and Koch has been bad... :thumbdown 471633[/snapback] You realize you've just made an argument for releasing Willis. 471658[/snapback] Come on... Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Use some common sense. 1. Willis is 22 years old, in his second season (first full one), improving, and loaded with potential. 2. Koch is 30, is in his 6th season, declining, and loaded with disappointment. 3. No one said to release Koch. I was just pointing out that he is not inconsistent, but rather, just bad. Seriously... some people try so hard to open a debate, they forget (or disregard) the obvious.
July 23, 200422 yr I'll tell you whats wrong with Koch ......How can i say this so everyone understands?...HE'S A HEAD CASE , ALWAYS HAS BEEN .
July 23, 200422 yr before Koch's 2 bad outings this passed week he had about 5 or 6 scoreless outings I hope he snaps out of it
July 23, 200422 yr Koch has been on and off, he is like Looper. I hope he straightens everything out and pitches like to old Koch. We need Koch and we need help in the bullpen.
July 23, 200422 yr How about every other outing let him throw out the first pitch so that would be his bad outing.
July 23, 200422 yr Koch is either hit or miss which is better than what he had been doing. We all I think knew he would be a work in progress. Give him another month to get his mechanics straightened out in the mean time we are going to have sit back and be nervous everytime he comes out to the mound
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