There are really angry Rangers fans at dallasbaseballhome.com. Lashing out at everyone from Loria and Beinfest and the Marlins organization in general to Hicks and company.

1. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss Age: 21 Ht: 6-3 Wt: 195 B-T: R-R

Signed: Dominican Republic, 2000 Signed by: Levy Ochoa

 

Hanley Ramirez(rank as the 10 overall best prospect in all of baseball)

Ramirez has the potential to excel in all aspects

of the game

 

Background: The 2004 season began inauspiciously for Ramirez, who fell and injured his left wrist while running the bases on May 1. After sitting out a game with what initially was diagnosed as a sprain, Ramirez tried to play through the pain. He had six hits in four games before sliding into a 2-for-23 slump. Another examination revealed a hairline fracture that sidelined him for seven weeks. Once he was fully healthy, he took off. Ramirez batted .354 the rest of the way at high Class A Sarasota, where Florida State League managers rated him the circuit's best defensive shortstop and best infield arm. Following a promotion to Double-A Portland, he hit .310 with power and made just three errors in 32 games. The Red Sox named him their FSL player of the year, the third time in four pro seasons that Ramirez has won a team MVP award.

 

Strengths: Shortstop has become a position of strength in the organization, yet Ramirez' five-tool package easily stands out among a crop that also includes Dustin Pedroia, Luis Soto, Christian Lara and Kenny Perez. He's the best athlete in the system with the potential to excel in all aspects of the game. A career .313 hitter, he has quick hands and a short stroke, allowing him to catch up to any fastball. He also excels at pitch recognition, so breaking pitches don't fool him. Ramirez signed as a switch-hitter but was so advanced from the right side that the Red Sox told him not to bother batting lefthanded. Besides his ability to hit for average, he also has plus raw power that started to show up in games after he reached Double-A. He can drive the ball out to all fields, and his home run totals would be higher if he didn't focus so much on hitting the ball up the middle, an approach Boston preaches at the lower levels of the minors. In addition to his offensive skills, Ramirez also has the most speed, best infield skills and strongest infield arm among Red Sox farmhands. After making 36 errors in 2003, he played more under control and cut his miscues to 20.

 

Weaknesses: Coming into the season, Ramirez hadn't done a good job of handling the hype he started receiving after he was rated the No. 1 prospect in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast and short-season New-York Penn leagues in 2002. He was sent home from instructional league that fall for cursing at a trainer, and suspended in 2003 for making an obscene gesture to fans. But Ramirez matured and didn't have any behavioral problems in 2004. He's a hard worker, but his biggest need at this point is to improve his day-to-day preparation. When he's fully focused, he's usually the best player on the diamond. Though Ramirez doesn't draw as many walks as the Red Sox would hope, that's in part because he makes consistent hard contact so easily.

 

The Future: Ramirez showed enough at Portland that he may begin 2005 at Triple-A Pawtucket. He could be ready to play regularly in Boston by 2006, so the Red Sox may avoid locking up a shortstop to a long-term deal this offseason.

 

"What a young talent. He makes the game look so easy."

--Fort Myers manager Jose Marzan

 

ANIBAL SANCHEZ, rhp Age: 21 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-0 Wt: 180

Signed: Venezuela, 2001 Signed by: Carlos Ramirez

 

Background: Sanchez pitched well for two seasons in the Rookie-level Venezuelan Summer League, then needed elbow surgery to transpose a nerve. After missing all of 2003, he came back in a huge way, leading the New York-Penn League in ERA and strikeouts and ranking as the circuit's top pitching prospect.

 

Strengths: Sanchez succeeded in Venezuela when he worked at 88-90 mph, and he dominated in 2004 when his velocity jumped to the mid-90s. His fastball is also notable for its movement and his ability to command it to both sides of the plate. Sanchez also has one of the better curveballs in the system, and his changeup shows flashes of becoming a plus pitch.

 

Weaknesses: With an electric arm and pitching savvy, Sanchez just needs more innings and continued good health. His curveball and changeup aren't totally reliable yet, but should improve as he gains more experience. He's not physically dominating, but he generates velocity with arm speed rather than extra effort.

 

The Future: Sanchez will move to full-season ball for the first time in 2005, pitching at Boston's new low Class A Capital City affiliate. He might not need much more than two more seasons in the minors. baseabllamerica

 

and Yes I like the deal, if anybody watched the Future Games last summer. You'd know why some of us are excited about the kids were getting in this deal. Sanchez pitched an inning and Ramirez played the most of the game. It was time for a change as much as it hurts

:boo-woo I cant even read thorough all the posts, all I have to say is I hope that this isnt the begining of the Dark Ages part 2. As for Josh and Mikey all I have to say is that Josh you were the big game ace that AJB couldnt become and I loved having him on the mound in big games, Mikey as rough of a year as this was you were one of my favorites and helped in be attending more games as my mom loved watching you, you both will be wished go and dominate the Yanks, but never forget the Fish.

I dont think I will watch the marlins next season!! :thumbdown

how many more Arbi years are left for Josh Beckett? this one? Is he a FA after 2006?

how many more Arbi years are left for Josh Beckett? this one? Is he a FA after 2006?

 

06' and 07'

 

He's a FA after 07'

This gives us an opportunity to populate AA, and more importantly AAA, with players who have a legitimate chance to become major leaguers.

 

For too long the Albuquerque Isotopes have been a team of not ever ready for primetime players. With a few more trades we'll have a group of players who can grow together and provide a nucleus for future Marlins teams at both the AA and AAA levels.

 

Give Beinfest credit for looking to the future and not settling for guys with minimal skills. Let's face it, saving $25-30 million (depending on how much we absorb of Lowell's contract) over the next couple of years is vitally important to the future of this franchise.

 

We now know who our third baseman is. Miguel Cabrera. We know Jeremy Hermida is our right fielder. And unless he's hit by a bus, our SS seems destined to be (if not in 2006), Hanley Ramirez. As each deal goes down one more position will be solidified until we have a competitive team that ultimately brings us another title.

 

I understand the pain many people feel, especially for Josh Beckett, a special human being and a fierce competitor. But such is life.

 

A week ago I wrote that it was time for Beinfest to get on the stick and start making deals. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect this deal, but it's done, and overall I'm satisfied. A well respected righthanded pitcher, a high ceiling SS prospect, not a bad day's work.

 

It's not time to stop now. Keep going Admin.

 

 

 

Another great post Marlins2003. :thumbup

I dont think I will watch the marlins next season!! :thumbdown

 

 

Good, because you just got traded in a deal to send Youpi to the Marlins.

how many more Arbi years are left for Josh Beckett? this one? Is he a FA after 2006?

 

2 more

:confused I hate seeing them go. *sigh* Good thing I have some good memories of them.

I guess trading Delgado, since we wont compete, to the Mets for Petit and Milledge wouldn't be such a bad idea. Trade Lo Duca back to the Dodgers for Dioner Navarro and Andy Laroche in case Castillo is dealt and to take his place once he retires if Shoppach is not the PTBNL in this deal.

 

Not sure what to do about 1B, Stokes can maybe handle it(???). 2007 will be a very young and exciting team. Willis, Johnson, Olsen, Volstad, and Vargas in the rotation. Kensing, Resop, Sanchez, Messenger, Bostick, and Tankersly in the pen. Let them all mesh together in 2006 and make a strong run at it in 07.

becket is fun to watch and lowell...

 

WAS...

 

i really think he'll have an all star year again in fenway. As for my opinion on the trade, it's always tough to gage solely on prospects but Hanley's ceiling is so high, as is Anibal's. His stuff, from my understanding, is filthy. Hopefully they develop fully...

I dont think I will watch the marlins next season!! :thumbdown

 

This is a shocking reaction.

 

Will you jump on the bandwagon once this team is good again?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

You know he will and he will act like he has been with them forever.

Who is going to take Josh's place in the rotation next year?

Who is going to take Josh's place in the rotation next year?

 

 

Sidney Ponson/Ismael Valdez/Scott Erickson/Jose Lima

 

Heck why not Oil Can Boyd?

by the way the last time Boston acquired a pretty good pitcher in his prime his name was Pedro. Boston back then gave up its top prospect and another good prospect. There names Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr.

by the way the last time Boston acquired a pretty good pitcher in his prime his name was Pedro. Boston back then gave up its top prospect and another good prospect. There names Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr.

 

And Beckett could become the next Pedro.

 

They got a great deal, I think they sign him long term now and avoid arbi for the next two years

Who is going to take Josh's place in the rotation next year?

 

 

Good question.

 

Apparently there is more work to be done.

So the tentative starting lineup is now Castillo, Hermida, Cabrera, Delgado, Lo Duca, LF-??(hopefully not Willingham), Pierre, and Ramirez?

 

 

The team has already said Willy is starting so deal with it.

 

That's all I;m going to say about this subject. Because apparently you have sh*t for brains and try to bring this up in every thread to start a useless argument that has ended with you looking like an ass that holds a grudge.

 

That wasn't my point, my point was that money was freed up to hopefully keep at least Delgado. And where was it said Willingham would start? Wasn't it said he'd have to earn it in ST? Well, even if he does win the job dont whine when he is completely horrible.

Willingham starts if Delgado is traded.

Just trade Lo Duca and Delgado(Dodgers and Mets...who cares, we won't compete now anyway), get what you can for them, the same for Pierre. Put a young and in-expensive team on the field next season and just try to stay respectible. Let the youngins mesh together. Then, in 2007, 2008, and 2009, the kids can really reak havoc. What I think 2007 team will look like:

C-Dioner Navarro

1B-Chris Harvey

2B-Andy LaRoche

3B-Miguel Cabrera

SS-Hanley Ramirez

LF-Lastings Milledge

CF-Eric Reed

RF-Jeremy Hermida

 

Josh Wilson, Robert Andino, Chris Aguila, Joe Dillon, Josh Willingham

 

SP-Dontrelle Willis

SP-Josh Johnson

SP-Scott Olsen

SP-Chris Volstad

SP-Jason Vargas

 

RP-Yusmeiro Petit

RP-Taylor Tankersly

LS-Adam Bostick

LR-Logan Kensing

LR-Anibal Sanchez

SU-Randy Messenger

CP-Chris Resop

 

Will be fun to watch, no need to jump ship. These are still your fish, the guys you have(or most of us) have followed since inception. I hate losing Josh too, but I will not turn my back on this franchise. You know within the next 4 years we will be WS champs again. It's the way things go for us.

I guess trading Delgado, since we wont compete, to the Mets for Petit and Milledge wouldn't be such a bad idea. Trade Lo Duca back to the Dodgers for Dioner Navarro and Andy Laroche in case Castillo is dealt and to take his place once he retires if Shoppach is not the PTBNL in this deal.

 

Not sure what to do about 1B, Stokes can maybe handle it(???). 2007 will be a very young and exciting team. Willis, Johnson, Olsen, Volstad, and Vargas in the rotation. Kensing, Resop, Sanchez, Messenger, Bostick, and Tankersly in the pen. Let them all mesh together in 2006 and make a strong run at it in 07.

 

 

It looks like Conine may play first.

To everyone that is saying they'll stop following the fish or watching this team - are you for real? I mean, I'm as upset as anyone over this trade and these rumors but THE TEAM HASN'T EVEN PLAYED A GAME YET! Plus, win or lose, I'm a Marlins fan. I'd really hope the same can be said for most of you. This is why people criticize our fans...

 

I agree with you there.Hearing all these rumors about the fish going this way and that is very hard.I really like Beckett and Lowell and I plan on keeping track of them as Red Sox,but I will *always* be a Marlin's fan.No matter what.

This sucks. I was hoping Beckett wouldn't be traded. He is going to be an outstanding pitcher with the Sox. Thanks for the memories Josh. :crying

I guess trading Delgado, since we wont compete, to the Mets for Petit and Milledge wouldn't be such a bad idea. Trade Lo Duca back to the Dodgers for Dioner Navarro and Andy Laroche in case Castillo is dealt and to take his place once he retires if Shoppach is not the PTBNL in this deal.

 

Not sure what to do about 1B, Stokes can maybe handle it(???). 2007 will be a very young and exciting team. Willis, Johnson, Olsen, Volstad, and Vargas in the rotation. Kensing, Resop, Sanchez, Messenger, Bostick, and Tankersly in the pen. Let them all mesh together in 2006 and make a strong run at it in 07.

 

 

It looks like Conine may play first.

 

I was talking about 2007 and beyond. I think Chris Harvey, if he continues to swing a good bat, will get the job. Unless Stokes actually starts to play to his potential.

I find it difficult to believe the Marlins will trade Delgado within their division.

 

Look for him to find a home in Baltimore or at least out of harm's way in AL, or in the NL West.

 

It's a seller's market.

 

Sell.