If they move to Hialeah, I expect them to stay Florida Marlins. Hialeah is Florida's fifth largest city though....hmm

Hialeah Heights is an interesting spot... Not that there's any locations that don't already have traffic problems, but at least there you've got I-75, Okeechobee, 826, and the Turnpike all in the vicinity.

Im all for this guys! Just Keep this team down here!

If you go the link I provided and using the navigations buttons above, click on the minus icon " - " to get a broader view.

 

According to the tax records it is owned by Hialeah and they paid $21 million for it.

 

 

Actually, according to the Miami-Dade records, the property is owned by "77 Acres LLC" and not the City of Hialeah. Plus, I thought the land that the City annexed was actually further west because it is the subject of the application (and the only application considered by the County Commissioners) for the expansion of the UDB (Urban Development Boundary), therefore, making the property WEST of the Turnpike.

If they move to Hialeah, I expect them to stay Florida Marlins. Hialeah is Florida's fifth largest city though....hmm

 

I wouldn't put it past them to change it, a la Anaheim, just so that there's no confusion -- or, to rub it in Miami's face.

i wouldnt want them to be the hialeah marlins i like the idea of Miami Marlins better.

 

 

I couldn't care less what they are called as long as they're in So. Florida. Maybe Hialeah is willing to kick in $50-100 million and land towards the stadium in exchange for the Marlins being called Hialeah Marlins.

 

Or maybe "The Hialeah Marlins of Miami" or "The Hialeah Marlins of Miami-Dade County in the State of Florida."

Seriously! I would love to keep the same name but at this point, who?s getting picky. Just keep them in S.Fla. and they?re still the Marlins.

Ike Seamans in his report said that Hialeah Heights is a 2,000 acre site.

If you go the link I provided and using the navigations buttons above, click on the minus icon " - " to get a broader view.

 

According to the tax records it is owned by Hialeah and they paid $21 million for it.

 

 

Actually, according to the Miami-Dade records, the property is owned by "77 Acres LLC" and not the City of Hialeah. Plus, I thought the land that the City annexed was actually further west because it is the subject of the application (and the only application considered by the County Commissioners) for the expansion of the UDB (Urban Development Boundary), therefore, making the property WEST of the Turnpike.

 

You could be right. There are two properties, 77 Acres LLC and 114 Acres LLC, one south of, and one east of, the man made lake. Both are adjacent to I-75. The reason I assumed these were the properties because they seemed to match up with the following snippet I had found earlier in the day:

 

Hialeah High Life

Working-class Hialeah, Miami-Dade's second-largest city, has never been known for its affluence. But that may change if mayor Raul Martinez has his way. Following a year-long struggle, Martinez has managed to annex a three-square-mile tract of undeveloped land located at the tip of Hialeah's northwest border where I-75 and the Palmetto meet. While the land-use plan still requires state approval, the mayor is keen on developing 4,000 new homes ? the kind he thinks will attract the professionals who have been leaving the area for better digs in western Broward County. The houses, he says, will run in the high $200,000s. Before any dirt turns on the new homes, however, roads need to be paved, utilities installed, and an existing landfill needs to be cleaned up. No problem. "A lot of residents are already calling about land," says Debora Storch, city zoning director. "Developers are very excited and want to start their projects yesterday." Martinez says the entire project could be 10 years in the making, after which time we should see a new town center, a grocery store, and police and fire stations. The proposed name for Hialeah's yuppie enclave? Hialeah Heights.

 

http://www.southfloridaceo.com/archives/20...QUICKTAKES.html

If you go the link I provided and using the navigations buttons above, click on the minus icon " - " to get a broader view.

 

According to the tax records it is owned by Hialeah and they paid $21 million for it.

 

 

Actually, according to the Miami-Dade records, the property is owned by "77 Acres LLC" and not the City of Hialeah. Plus, I thought the land that the City annexed was actually further west because it is the subject of the application (and the only application considered by the County Commissioners) for the expansion of the UDB (Urban Development Boundary), therefore, making the property WEST of the Turnpike.

 

You could right. There are two properties, 77 Acres LLC and 114 Acres LLC, one south of, and one east of, he man made lake. Both are adjacent to I-75. The reason I assumed these were the properties because they seemed to match up with the following snippet I had found earlier in the day:

 

Hialeah High Life

Working-class Hialeah, Miami-Dade's second-largest city, has never been known for its affluence. But that may change if mayor Raul Martinez has his way. Following a year-long struggle, Martinez has managed to annex a three-square-mile tract of undeveloped land located at the tip of Hialeah's northwest border where I-75 and the Palmetto meet. While the land-use plan still requires state approval, the mayor is keen on developing 4,000 new homes ? the kind he thinks will attract the professionals who have been leaving the area for better digs in western Broward County. The houses, he says, will run in the high $200,000s. Before any dirt turns on the new homes, however, roads need to be paved, utilities installed, and an existing landfill needs to be cleaned up. No problem. "A lot of residents are already calling about land," says Debora Storch, city zoning director. "Developers are very excited and want to start their projects yesterday." Martinez says the entire project could be 10 years in the making, after which time we should see a new town center, a grocery store, and police and fire stations. The proposed name for Hialeah's yuppie enclave? Hialeah Heights.

 

http://www.southfloridaceo.com/archives/20...QUICKTAKES.html

 

Yuppie ballpark village. :mischief2

Thats precisely why I think HH is a long shot.

 

 

Theres alot, ALOT of money to be made there.

While I was perusing te MDC property appraiser database today I couldn't but notice the large triangular site created by the intersection of the Florida Turnpike and I-75. The property is owned by the Graham Companies.

 

I have no reason to believe the property is for sale or otherwise available but with entrance/exit ramps already in place and the visibility it creates for the Marlins, purely from a fantasy standpoint, if you're going to abandon the concept of a downtown venue or building at PPS, it's a helluva location.

If they move to Hialeah, I expect them to stay Florida Marlins. Hialeah is Florida's fifth largest city though....hmm

 

4th...but still Hialeah Marlins would never happen bc the site would cater to fans in West Broward and Kendall

 

extending metro or some sort of transportation shouldnt be too difficult since the train already goes up to near the 826 and okeechobee road

There is three possible locations. No one site has been picked yet.

any word how the meeting went?

any word how the meeting went?

 

Meeting will go next week. The team initiated the talks.

any word how the meeting went?

 

 

Meeting is January 30 at 11 AM

Just keep them here. Hialeah will work definitely. It is closest to Miami than Dolphin's stadium so yeah, build it there!

Keeping this thread running and not 50 other spin-offs.

 

From Miami Today:

 

Hialeah and baseball are a good fit if team opens its wallet

By Michael Lewis

Finally, a good site for a baseball stadium is in play as Marlins officials and Hialeah leaders talk this week. Every aspect appeals more than other choices.

We'll discuss the deal breaker later. First, look at the pluses.

South Florida fans could attend in Hialeah, but not in spots the team also is visiting such as Las Vegas, Charlotte and Portland, OR. Keeping baseball here, in other words, is desirable.

Hialeah is a far better choice than building beside the team's present home at Dolphins Stadium. The landowner there is stadium owner H. Wayne Huizenga, who drives a harder bargain than public officials ever dreamed of. The Marlins would need to beg for even more public cash if they had to deal with him.

Of course, any Hialeah site would be better than the deal that just struck out beside the Orange Bowl. Miami City Manager Joe Arriola is right up there with Mr. Huizenga in making a deal that wouldn't give away the store, and little love is lost between him and Marlins officials. Besides, parking and access to the congested area would have been a nightmare.

Hialeah, unlike Miami, doesn't get the attention it merits. The blue-collar, inland city flies well below the radar as Florida's fifth-largest in population at 226,000 in the 2000 census, well ahead of No. 6 Orlando and No. 7 Fort Lauderdale. With racing dead, Hialeah has no name recognition. International baseball telecasts from Hialeah would raise visibility.

With visibility comes development. Miami wouldn't have felt much of an economic jolt by building at the Orange Bowl, but businesses and restaurants catering to fans would soon surround a Hialeah stadium.

One of three Hialeah sites under discussion is former horse track Hialeah Park, whose attractive grandstand is historically protected. Working it into a stadium's design might win historic-structure funds from government.

On the other hand, if the track's owner holds out for an expansion of gambling, the Marlins would lose out. Major League Baseball rightly steers clear of gambling.

Hialeah offers a desirable hometown. The Marlins always thought a Cuban-American populace would be a natural draw, and Hialeah is all of that. Blue-collar enthusiasts make a good baseball market.

Some express concern that Hialeah would be too far from Broward and Palm Beach counties. Surveys show those counties provide more Marlins customers than home-county Miami-Dade.

But Hialeah is easier to reach than the Orange Bowl site, where the Marlins were perfectly willing to play if government would build a stadium and hand them almost all the revenues for little investment on their part.

Hialeah's biggest advantage is that Tri-Rail and Metrorail link there. With enough bus shuttles to a stadium, fans would need never drive to Hialeah at all. Other potential local sites lack that vital mass transit. South Florida's intensifying traffic requires a stadium near rail links.

So with all those advantages, what's the deal breaker?

Money. The Marlins aren't willing to put serious cash into a ballpark whose true cost is likely to hit $500 million.

What owners pledged in the now-dead Miami deal was to pay rent for a third of a century plus add $30 million that was to come from who knew where.

The Marlins have been willing to lease at low rent if they get almost all the revenues from a stadium built with tax money. County government has pledged $138 million from tourist and sports-franchise taxes, and the City of Miami was willing to kick in $28 million in tourist-development tax receipts and $32 million to build parking - but not enough to pay for the whole deal. The gap was $45 million when that deal was benched.

The only reason the Marlins are looking at all is that they have a terrible deal with Mr. Huizenga, who keeps the lion's share of income. The Marlins want ticket revenues, parking revenues, advertising revenues, stadium naming revenues and sponsorship revenues. In turn, they won't pay in advance more than about a year's worth of those revenues. They want taxpayers to pay the rest of the cost of building them a covered stadium from which they alone would benefit.

Rent isn't a capital contribution. When a business pays low rent and wants to collect the revenues from government's investment, it's actually paying negative rent - the team is being paid to stay here.

That's what the Marlins have been offered. They just want to be paid more - a larger government investment whose returns would go not to taxpayers but to team owners, about $25 million per year.

That's been the sticking point. And unless Hialeah is a lot richer or more foolish than the City of Miami, it will continue to be the sticking point.

While a Hialeah home for the Marlins would be desirable from everyone's standpoint, it would only make sense for taxpayers if the Marlins and not city residents opened their wallets. Thus far, the Marlins have been unwilling to pay to play.

meh.

 

this is the only location left i'm afraid. not enough time

Marlins executives to meet with Hialeah mayor on Monday:

 

MIAMI -- Exploring all options for a new stadium in South Florida, Marlins executives are scheduled to meet with Hialeah mayor Julio Robaina on Monday.

 

Team president David Samson, along with other club officials, are in the process of searching for a new home for the Marlins, who have played at dual-sport Dolphins Stadium since their inaugural 1993 season. The Marlins share the facility with the Miami Dolphins.

 

Unable to get a baseball-only stadium deal done in the area, the Marlins were granted permission by Major League Baseball in late November to seek relocation options if a deal cannot be worked out in South Florida.

 

The Marlins are considering Hialeah, a Miami-Dade County option, after talks stalled with Wayne Huizenga regarding a new facility next to Dolphins Stadium.

 

To remain in South Florida, the Marlins insist they need a retractable-roof park. Hialeah, which is south of Dolphins Stadium, has a couple of land possibilities. But more than location, figuring out a financial plan promises to be the biggest hurdle.

 

After commitments from Miami-Dade County and the club, there still remains a $70 million gap in funding for a new stadium in the county.

 

While remaining in South Florida is the preference for the league and team, the Marlins are checking into other locations. Club officials already have visited San Antonio, Texas, and Portland, Ore. Sometime in February or March, the team is planning on traveling to Charlotte, N.C.

 

Las Vegas, while no official visit has been announced, is believed to be a serious contender. Northern New Jersey and Northern Virginia also are possible visit spots.

 

This time last year, the Marlins were finalizing a local stadium deal with the city of Miami regarding a retractable-roof stadium next to the Orange Bowl. But that deal fell through when a bid for state money, in the form of a sales tax rebate, was rejected by the Florida Legislature.

 

Even without the assistance from the state, the Marlins, city of Miami and Miami-Dade County continued negotiating until talks collapsed a few months ago.

 

The Marlins are set to meet with Hialeah officials days after the state of Florida released a report showing sports and recreation in general are a big economic attraction for the state.

 

The report released in Tallahassee shows that sports and recreation will infuse $32 billion into Florida's economy in 2006, with golf accounting for a high percentage. The report added that sports produce $2.1 billion in tax revenue for state and local officials.

 

Spring Training alone provides a sizable share. The six-week Spring Training period in 2004 generated $453 million to the state.

 

Should the Marlins secure a new stadium in Hialeah, or somewhere else in South Florida, the facility likely would be granted an All-Star Game within a few years after opening.

 

Recent history shows that hosting an All-Star Game has huge economic benefits, roughly $50 million-$70 million in economic impact.

 

The Marlins are signed to play at Dolphins Stadium through the 2007 season, and their contract with the stadium expires after the 2010 season.

 

Joe Frisaro is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Meeting tomorrow folks....

 

Hialeah hopes to bring in Marlins

By Joe Capozzi

 

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

 

Saturday, January 28, 2006

 

The Marlins have traveled to Las Vegas, San Antonio and Portland, Ore., in their search for a new home. Their next trip will be a lot shorter.

 

Team officials will meet Monday with Hialeah Mayor Julio Robaina about the possibility of moving to the state's fifth most populous city, just a few miles northwest of downtown Miami.

 

"I was concerned that the Marlins were visiting all these cities and nothing was happening here. I wanted to give it my best shot," Robaina said Friday. "Hopefully we'll be able to convince them that Hialeah is the place for the Marlins to be."

 

Robaina would not divulge details, but said he has a financing proposal in which the city, Miami-Dade County and the Marlins would all contribute toward the cost of a new ballpark.

 

"We'll decide if they want to be here, then we'll cover the dynamics of the deal," he said, adding that his plan would not require a referendum.

 

Miami-Dade officials have said they would consider supporting any proposal Hialeah offers. The county pledged $138 million for a plan that was not used to build a $420 million stadium next to the Orange Bowl.

 

Robaina said two sites in Hialeah are appealing. One is the Hialeah Park thoroughbred track, which has not hosted live racing since May 2001. The other, which Robaina likes better, is a 2,000-acre, privately-owned tract between Florida's Turnpike and Interstate 75.

 

The mayor said the meeting with the Marlins was proposed by the club.

 

"They called me first a couple of weeks ago," he said. The parties originally were expected to meet this week.

Marlins spokesman P.J. Loyello said only that team President David Samson is looking forward to the meeting.

 

The Marlins, who have struggled with attendance, despite winning the World Series twice in 13 seasons, have said they will not stay at Dolphins Stadium after the 2010 season, and could leave as early as 2008.

 

Since word leaked a couple of weeks ago that the Marlins would meet with Hialeah officials, Robaina said he has received dozens of phone calls from residents excited about the idea of hosting the team.

"I think a team that has won two championships in such a small span of time deserves our support," Robaina said.

 

The mayor said the meeting with the Marlins was proposed by the club.

 

"They called me first a couple of weeks ago," he said. The parties originally were expected to meet this week.

 

:mischief2 :mischief :o :whistle

Meeting has been moved up to 1 PM.

Meeting has been moved up to 1 PM.

 

 

Anything else you can tell us now or after the meeting?

Meeting has been moved up to 1 PM.

 

Maybe they were concerned about a rain delay.

 

Let's hope something of value comes out of this meeting although I suspect it's probably more ceremonial than anything else and it shouldn't surprise anyone to learn there's been alot of preparatory talk between the get together.

 

Neither party wants to walk out of a meeting with nothing accomplished and nothing that furthers their particular agendas. For Hialeah it would put them on the map, instantly going from forgotten city to celebrity, and for the Marlins, being able to point to some light at the end of the tunnel won't hurt them when it comes to selling a few more tickets or re-establishing their credibility in the eyes of South Florida in general.

 

It will also not hurt the Marlins efforts to negotiate with Huizenga and company either. By having a legitimate alternative site it may bring Huizenga closer to considering an equitable solution (see HOK two stadium/one roof plan for KC) to his needs and those of the Fish.

 

All in all this could be a good day for the franchise and all of South Florida.

Meeting tomorrow folks....

 

Robaina would not divulge details, but said he has a financing proposal in which the city, Miami-Dade County and the Marlins would all contribute toward the cost of a new ballpark.

 

 

that in itself isn't saying much... I mean I can suggest a proposal too, Loria you pay twice what you initially planned. Hopefully there's something creative there.

 

Robaina said two sites in Hialeah are appealing. One is the Hialeah Park thoroughbred track, which has not hosted live racing since May 2001. The other, which Robaina likes better, is a 2,000-acre, privately-owned tract between Florida's Turnpike and Interstate 75.

have we figured out who owns this land yet? I think the I-75 site has potential.