baldelli is better than patterson.

but theres alot of better cfs than baldelli.

i would take atleast 7 guys over rocco.

Instead of saying how good or bad I think the guy is......

 

Look at that list and see nearly every other team has at least a serviceable CFer

If we try a trade with the D-Rays I'd want Upton.

i'd like to see what De Aza can do when he finally comes back before we trade our best pitcher so far this season....

 

De Aza is about 3 weeks from coming back right now. But I concur. Why would you want to trade our most effective starting pitcher at this point for anyone? Seems we are having a hard enough time as it is to just keep 5 healthy SPs on the 25 man roster as it is.

 

I'd explore trading Mitre while his value right now is high for possibly maybe a Rocco Baldelli...

 

yousir are loco! hes due now any day for a no-hitter, i feel it comming, and i want it to be @ the marlins. Anyway, it would be ludacris to trade mitre right now, he is the best, yes THE BEST starting pitcher we have right now. He would be more value to us than trading him for some1 mediocre.

 

plus, his trade value is not particularly high right now.

 

I like Mitre as much as the next guy, maybe even more. And I would think he has the best shot at our next no-no, if it were to come this year. But he is a ground ball hitter that relys on his defense to make plays behind him. That in itself says no way is a no hitter coming "any day."

Fishfan79...you think Corey Patterson is better than Baldelli?

nope accidently skipped him as I didnt see him. So another one to add to the list.

 

 

It should be noted that the TB fans on their forum think they can get Dontrelle Willis for Baldelli straight up lol.

I always like to bring a little lively discussion to the forum. No secret I like Baldelli I guess that to a degree is subjective. Depends how much you have really seen of him. Reference to my comment of jones coming back to the pack is not a new or out of this world comment many who have seen Andruw Jones play over the years have percieved this slight decline in performance. I found one article from Stark that refers to this ( BTW I believe he is an ass as well!)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2880979

 

Then an old scout friend said the words that led me here: "I'll tell you the guy who isn't the player people think he is anymore -- Andruw Jones." Again, my first instinct was: no way. Then I took a closer look. And couldn't believe what I learned.

 

Andruw is a man who has built his reputation around his Gold Glove parade, his exceptional ability to glide around center field and suck sure-thing doubles out of the sky without overheating a single sweat gland. But while most of us weren't paying attention, Andruw was slowly, apparently imperceptibly, losing the part of that gift that made him special.

 

From 1998 through 2002, he was still That Guy. He topped 400 putouts five years in a row. No outfielder had done that since Mays (1954-1958). He was The Best. Clearly. But since then? Not the same player.

 

He peaked at 493 putouts in 1999. He was still slurping up 461 in 2001. But by 2005 he was down to 365. In 2006 he was at 377. I tried looking at his total chances per game. Still way down. We're talking about 100 or so balls a year he wasn't getting to that he used to. A hundred.

 

I thought: that can't be right. A friend suggested maybe it was a function of the Braves' pitching staff. Maybe they were just throwing fewer fly balls than they used to. Great point. So I checked. Fortunately, there's a stat that measures that, too -- zone rating (the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical zone).

 

So I called up the 2006 zone rating of all qualifying major league center fielders on ESPN.com. Guess who was last on the list? Yessir, Andruw. He also finished last in 2004. And fifth from the bottom in 2005. I kept checking. As recently as 2001, he led his league in zone rating. So obviously, we had a definitive trend on our hands. I then went back to the scout who started all this to report my findings.

 

"I first noticed it two or three years ago," he said. "Just from sitting there, scouting, watching balls dropping in that should have been caught. I'm not talking about balls that needed to be dived for. I'm talking about balls that should be caught."

 

I surveyed other scouts. They'd begun to see the same things. Not getting the same jumps. Not reacting. Not putting in the defensive effort he used to. His body getting thicker. A sudden obsession with home-run hitting over everything else.

 

"He was a great defender," said one scout. "He's slipped. People used to compare him to Mays and Mantle. I wouldn't put Andruw anywhere near those guys. Now he's become an offensive player, and his defense has suffered ever since."

 

he keeps raking in Gold Gloves. As if nothing had changed. As if he'd only been getting better.

 

"It's all perception," said one player who has played against Jones for years. "Perception is like muscle memory. People have a memory of you doing something. So you have to do something dramatically different to undo that memory."

 

Willie Mays basically announced he wasn't the same player anymore when he literally began falling down in the outfield. But Andruw Jones still looks the same. There's nothing "dramatically different" about those three extra fly balls a week he now just misses tracking down. It's only when we study the numbers and chart the trends that us folks who don't watch him closely -- every day, every inning -- start to catch on.

 

So many of you who are quick to make judgements and think that my commentary on Andruw Jones is something I just pulled out of my rear give the matter some real thought. Jones is still better than anything we have now. I didn't say he has become mediocre yet. I just said he has lost some of his shine

If we try a trade with the D-Rays I'd want Upton.

that ship has sailed

Andruw Jones is having his best defensive season in years.

 

 

stark = moron

Really doubtful....

 

But man, I'd love to have Corey Hart. I've always had an affliction for him, freakin' 6'6 tall yet runs like a demon.

 

With the pick up of LaPorta, who could be in their OF as soon as next year, can't help but DrEaM.

Well the Marlins took three (3) centerfielders out of their first ten picks, so I guess they are pretty open about the future at the position. :brigginbounce

Maybe % wise Andrew is having his best season but as far as tracking balls down and making those great catches he is know for.....he isn't the same as he used to be. Still amazing and the best in baseball, but not as great as he used to be.

Okay, Reggie just overstayed his welcome... WTF was he thinking swinging at a pitch 5 feet in front of the plate.

 

And did anyone hear Tommy bash Reggie on that throw... hahaha...

The throw home was sad to watch.

Just sayin'...

 

Brewers are apperently shopping Tony Gwynn JR. He was set to go to Texas for Akinori Otsuka until Hall went down, in which case they called it off to play Gwynn in CF. I still would have pulled that trigger if I'm in the Brewer's shoes...Hart can play CF, and they have several adequete corner fielders.

 

Now there's talks of the Brewers offerings the Reds Gwynn, Jenkins, and a top minor league prospect for Griffey. No clue the validity of them actually offering, but apperently it won't go down anyway cuz Griffey won't waive his no trade clause anyway to go to the Brewers.

 

But anyway, that means Gwynn JR is very likely available, atleast when Hall gets back.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind him if the price was low...but that doesn't look the case considering the fact that they could have gotten Otsuka. He seems to be a better-hitting but slower version of Eric Reed. Fast, very good fielder, no clue on his arm, decent eye, but absolutely no power. He's also will really need to improve at stealing (only 72% success rate in the minors).

 

Great fielder with speed is always very very nice in our stadium...but again, trade price looks like it's too high anyway. Just putting it out regardless.

It really depends on if the Marlins are serious about taking a shot at the playoffs or not. I would think the Rockies would make a good match with the Marlins. Ryan Spilboroghs and Corey Sullivan are both nailed to their bench and they are both decent players. Pinto would get one of them.

I don't think Gwynn is available now that Bill Hall is on the DL.

Thoughts on Adam Jones

By John Sickels

Posted on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 11:10:49 AM CDT

 

Thinking about Adam Jones

 

Let's start off with the book comment.

 

Jones is having a breakthrough offensive season for Triple-A Tacoma, currently hitting .317/.385/.589 with 19 homers for the Rainiers. His power output is increasing. However, his speed production is down, he's got just five steals in 11 attempts, and it would not surprise me at all to see the whole steal factor go by the wayside for him in the long run. The Mike Cameron comparisons look less apt now. Jones won't steal as many bases nor draw as many walks as Cameron.

 

Although Jones has made major progress this year no question, there are still some issues here and the Mariners are wise to give him additional Triple-A time. He is striking out more than once per game, 81 K in 76 games, 319 at-bats, with 27 walks. If you put him in the majors now, I think he's hit for power but would have a hard time keeping his batting average over .250 due to contact issues, at least once the pitchers learned him.

 

In the long run, at age 21 he's got plenty of time to work this out. My guess is that Jones is going to have a very long and successful career, hitting for plenty of power and providing great defense, although without that many stolen bases. His batting average and OBP will be erratic. . .he's the kind of guy who could hit .300 in his peak seasons but also have some campaigns where he hits .240.

 

 

http://www.minorleagueball.com/

Hall should only be out 2-6 weeks though, and looks to me like Gywnn will be shopped once Hall is back (If it's before July 31st...if not, than this offseason). And aquiring Gwynn would be a acquisition with ambition of the future, not this year.

I don't see a need for us to pay in-season price for a position player that'd be useful for 2008.

 

If I'm the Marlins front-office, I'm pleased with the job Amezaga's doing, I'm happy thinking about having Cody Ross back and I'm anticipating a really really deep free-agent class for our two positions of need.

 

Since Beinfest's said it's against the organization's philosophy to trade their young pitching for veterans (gag me), it must mean that we'll at least consider spending money if it's warranted. If not, then none of this is even worth our time.

Yep I agree. In fact at this point, starting pitching is more important than a CF. Now if you can make a move for some who will be ready for 2008, by all means. Whether that's Adam Jones, a flier on Elijah Dukes, or someone else.

 

Then again, I really hope the Marlins don't make a move until late July, then we'll know where we stand. Obviously I hope we make a run and get within 3-4 games of the division/wild card but in all likelyhood that isn't going to happen.

 

I suspect we see guys like Daniel Barone, The Dutch Judo Master, and Gaby Hernandez come up sooner than later just to get their feet wet for next season.

Yep I agree. In fact at this point, starting pitching is more important than a CF. Now if you can make a move for some who will be ready for 2008, by all means. Whether that's Adam Jones, a flier on Elijah Dukes, or someone else.

 

Then again, I really hope the Marlins don't make a move until late July, then we'll know where we stand. Obviously I hope we make a run and get within 3-4 games of the division/wild card but in all likelyhood that isn't going to happen.

 

I suspect we see guys like Daniel Barone, The Dutch Judo Master, and Gaby Hernandez come up sooner than later just to get their feet wet for next season.

That is what I am thinking as well I don't see a major trade of any type going down. However I could see a major overhaul of the rotation wit the young prospects. The big 3 that u have mentioned are the logical ones to lead the charge

Would you do Mike Jacobs for Melky Cabrera?

Would you do Mike Jacobs for Melky Cabrera?

 

in a heart beat

Would you do Mike Jacobs for Melky Cabrera?

 

 

Hell no. Melky sucks.

Milledge and Aaron For Dontrelle. :afro