July 12, 200916 yr With the non-waiver trade dealine quickly approaching, there is obviously a lot of talk of trading prospects for quality ML'ers who can help this team now. The sentiment in the FO seems to be not to do away with any of our top talent, though at this point in the game, that's what it would take to get anyone who could contribute to the stretch run (ex, Billy McMillon for Dutch in '97, Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina in '02). That being said, if we have a chance to win now, I say we seriously explore any trade offer if it truly makes us a better team now. While it might sting to lose a future superstar (ie, Gonzalez), the Marlins have always had an eye for talent, strong development team and a way to constantly replenish the minors; I think it's worth losing a few strong pieces because I'm confident they would be replaced in time. Besides, prospects are just that- prospects, not sure things. Even "Can't miss" prospects like Mike Stanton could completely flop in the ML's. That got me thinking, who do you all think some of our biggest Prospect Flops were? I'd have to put Josh Booty #1 any day of the week. He received a then-record signing bonus for a HS player, then proceeded to squander it all away in his pursuit of not being able to hit a breaking ball. Since he didn't have the money to repay the bonus, the MArlins wouldn't let him out of the contract so he could enroll at LSU to be their QB. Squandered the rest of his time w/ the Fish, played a year at LSU, got drafted by the SeaHawks, ended his career w/ the Browns as a backup, then got tased at a DUI stop. Great! It's actually sad for him and the Marlins, because he had an nfl-calibre arm comign out of highschool and had signed a letter of intent to play w/ LSU. Had he decided to stick w/ football, he probably would have been a top pick out of LSU and could have had a much more successful Pro career; the Marlins instead could have gone w/ another 1st round pick such as Todd Walker, Nomar, Konerko or Varitek. I'd have to go Jason Stokes #2 because he was viewed as this athletic freak with massive power; injuries and poor hitting at AA ruined his career. Eric Reed probably would be #3- how many times was he in camp projected to be our CF of the future? I'd put Mr. #1 Expansion Pick Nigel Wilson at #4- Never got a hit for the Marlins. #5- Kurt Miller.
July 12, 200916 yr After Booty and Stokes the one that comes to mind is OMG Nunez, Abraham Nunez the monster of spring training and the minor leagues. Other failed players would include the # 1 picks from 1993, Marc Valdes, 95 Jaime Jones and 97 Aaron Akin and 98 Chip Ambres
July 12, 200916 yr How is Hermida not in the top 5? There were Marlins prospects who went on to have way worse careers, but considering what was expected of him, I'd say he's gotta be up there
July 12, 200916 yr 1. Josh Booty 2. Jamie Jones (6th overall anyone?) 3. Aaron Akin (PASSED LANCE BERKMAN TO DRAFT HIM) 4. Jason Stokes (considered #4 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2005, freak of nature power, basically was supposed to be what we expect Stanton to become) 5. Jeremy Hermida (considering the hype, and the fact we passed Cole Hamels for him) Names worth mentioning Eric Reed Reggie Abercrombie Matthew Thornton Jeff Allison (if he never makes it to the majors)
July 12, 200916 yr 1. Josh Booty 2. Jamie Jones (6th overall anyone?) 3. Aaron Akin (PASSED LANCE BERKMAN TO DRAFT HIM) 4. Jason Stokes (considered #4 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2005, freak of nature power, basically was supposed to be what we expect Stanton to become) 5. Jeremy Hermida (considering the hype, and the fact we passed Cole Hamels for him) Names worth mentioning Eric Reed Reggie Abercrombie Matthew Thornton Jeff Allison (if he never makes it to the majors) Fun Fact most already know: The Marlins drafted Alfredo Amezaga, right after that, the Cardinals selected Albert Pujols Mez was drafted by the Angles.
July 12, 200916 yr He was never a Marlin but whenever I see threads like this I think of Sean Burroughs. I remember in the late 90's/early 00's hearing how Sean Burroughs of the Padres was such a "super prospect" who had a bright future in MLB and would be a a star. Boy did that turn out to be true..
July 13, 200916 yr I don't think Hermida is a bust. But, obviously other people think he is. And Dim, that comparison you made scares the hell out of me.
July 13, 200916 yr I don't think Hermida is a bust. But, obviously other people think he is. And Dim, that comparison you made scares the hell out of me. I'm sorry but that truely is how people saw Jason Stokes. I'm not calling them the same type of players, as Stanton has already proved a lot more in the minors than Stokes ever did, but all the scouts were drooling over Stokes when he was drafted. although injuries is what eventually led to Stokes downfall, he was a great player in the minors.
July 13, 200916 yr I think Josh Booty is far and away our #1 failure. At the time we took him that draft bonus was a record of some kind, and he never did anything. Stokes, because we could have traded him to Texas instead of Adrian Gonzalez. However, Gonzalez almost certainly would have left the organization via trade eventually once his salary got too high. Chip Ambres and Aaron Akin are both pretty big busts.
July 13, 200916 yr Age 25-27 is when most players develop the most. Yes some people will go lol age arguement, and age certainly isn't everything (see Sean Burroughs as mentioned earlier. He was young and his defense was that power would come. It never came and he got the best nickname ever). But you cannot ignore the constant patter that has happened in the history of player development. No, it's not 100%. Some players break the mold and are able to fully develop in their low 20's (like Pujols), and some players are never able to develop. But historically 25-27 is when the most development happens and Hermida is only 25. So to me, he becomes a bust in '11. I also don't remember the exact numbers, but Hermida was a little over middle of the pack in OPS for players who played in the majors from age 22-24, and a little under middle of the pack for a corner OFer. He's certainly been dissapointing but there's no reason to prematurely call somebody a bust because he's struggled in his low 20's. Yes, things aren't looking good for him. There will people who read this and spout out that I'm saying Hermida is the greatest thing ever as what always happens, since a lot of you can only talk in extremes. But there's no reason to prematurely label soembody. See Pena, Carlos. See Quentin, Carlos. See Ect, Et al. I'm also not advocating that we keep him next year. There's still half a season of baseball left and again you don't talk prematurely, but if things ended now you keep Cody no question. If he was making the minimum, things would be different. But it's not worth the millions he'll command to hope he figures it out.
July 13, 200916 yr Age 25-27 is when most players develop the most. Yes some people will go lol age arguement, and age certainly isn't everything (see Sean Burroughs as mentioned earlier. He was young and his defense was that power would come. It never came and he got the best nickname ever). But you cannot ignore the constant patter that has happened in the history of player development. No, it's not 100%. Some players break the mold and are able to fully develop in their low 20's (like Pujols), and some players are never able to develop. But historically 25-27 is when the most development happens and Hermida is only 25. So to me, he becomes a bust in '11. I also don't remember the exact numbers, but Hermida was a little over middle of the pack in OPS for players who played in the majors from age 22-24, and a little under middle of the pack for a corner OFer. He's certainly been dissapointing but there's no reason to prematurely call somebody a bust because he's struggled in his low 20's. Yes, things aren't looking good for him. There will people who read this and spout out that I'm saying Hermida is the greatest thing ever as what always happens, since a lot of you can only talk in extremes. But there's no reason to prematurely label soembody. See Pena, Carlos. See Quentin, Carlos. See Ect, Et al. I'm also not advocating that we keep him next year. There's still half a season of baseball left and again you don't talk prematurely, but if things ended now you keep Cody no question. If he was making the minimum, things would be different. But it's not worth the millions he'll command to hope he figures it out. Very few posts in the world that I agree with more.
July 13, 200916 yr Age 25-27 is when most players develop the most. Yes some people will go lol age arguement, and age certainly isn't everything (see Sean Burroughs as mentioned earlier. He was young and his defense was that power would come. It never came and he got the best nickname ever). But you cannot ignore the constant patter that has happened in the history of player development. No, it's not 100%. Some players break the mold and are able to fully develop in their low 20's (like Pujols), and some players are never able to develop. But historically 25-27 is when the most development happens and Hermida is only 25. So to me, he becomes a bust in '11. I also don't remember the exact numbers, but Hermida was a little over middle of the pack in OPS for players who played in the majors from age 22-24, and a little under middle of the pack for a corner OFer. He's certainly been dissapointing but there's no reason to prematurely call somebody a bust because he's struggled in his low 20's. Yes, things aren't looking good for him. There will people who read this and spout out that I'm saying Hermida is the greatest thing ever as what always happens, since a lot of you can only talk in extremes. But there's no reason to prematurely label soembody. See Pena, Carlos. See Quentin, Carlos. See Ect, Et al. I'm also not advocating that we keep him next year. There's still half a season of baseball left and again you don't talk prematurely, but if things ended now you keep Cody no question. If he was making the minimum, things would be different. But it's not worth the millions he'll command to hope he figures it out. Both Carlos Pena and Carlos Quentin broke out after a chance of scenery. For Pena, it was actually a couple.
July 13, 200916 yr Dallas McPherson, Kevin Maas, Ryan Minor, Ben McDonald, Todd Van Poppel to name a few.
July 13, 200916 yr 10 years ago I remember an outfielder we had named Julio Ramirez was gonna be a star and he disappeared
July 14, 200916 yr I think Hermida is considered a bust year by year. You can't look at his career and say bust because he has not played through his mid to late 20's yet. Rookie season (2006) was a disappointment because he was considered a top 5 prospect in baseball and predicted rookie of the year. Year 2 (2007) he put up good second half numbers, but poor numbers in the first half. Year 3 (2008) was a bust season for him because he did not improve on any category. Year 4 (2009 this season) he is putting up very similar numbers as last season. 25 is still a young age so he still has potential to produce. however he is viewed as a flop for under achieving in all his years as a Marlin. Some guys need to change teams and coaches. some guys need to be in their early to mid 30's. Perhaps that is the path Hermida will take. I hope I'm wrong and he can turn it around tomorrow, but who knows.
July 14, 200916 yr I wouldn't call Hermida a bust I mean he's been with the big club for a few seasons, and has done decent in the role asked of him which was to be an extra bat but not an important bat in the line up until the last couple of years where his role has got bigger, and now this year he was seen as an important part of the line up, and yes he's been very much a let down this year but he's not a bust. He's just an avarage ball player who's a good 4th OF or 3rd OF given enough at bats he will produced fair numbers. Avg 250 ish, 18-25HR, 75-80 RBIS that's not a bust that's just not a star player. He's only 25, and he could prove us all wrong... Id say that its to early to say that he's a bust. But Josh Booty is without a doubt the biggest bust in Marlins history! I would place him at number 1 no doubt... 01. Josh Booty 02. Nigel Wilson 03. Darrell Whitmore 04. Jamie Jones 05. Aaron Akin 06. Jason Stokes 07. Reggie Ambercrombi 08. Todd Dunwoody 09. Abraham Nunez 10. Garrett Berger
July 14, 200916 yr Possibly Kyle Skipworth in a couple years. He's like 10 years old, dude. Give him some damn time.
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