November 4, 200917 yr Dont buy too much into it if it is insider only just because this would be breaking news even if it were just a rumor. ESPN wouldnt want to leave this off a headliner... I wouldnt buy too much into it.
November 4, 200917 yr Author Dont buy too much into it if it is insider only just because this would be breaking news even if it were just a rumor. ESPN wouldnt want to leave this off a headliner... I wouldnt buy too much into it. Well it is on the "Headlines" for ESPN. Not that it changes anything.
November 4, 200917 yr Probably basing it off question 2 from Frisaro's mailbag today - http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091104&content_id=7616436&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla
November 4, 200917 yr I laugh strongly at his $2 million Pinto arbitration projection. Secondly, the Braves would never give us a pitcher of that quality with the emergence of Prado and still having KJ, and even if we did acquire Javy, it would be Hamptonesque and we'd flip him right back out for something else we want.
November 4, 200917 yr It's ridiculous on its face, the only exception being a scenario wherein it was part of a simultaneous three-way trade that netted the Fish more for Uggla than he could get being traded on his own. Not only that, the Marlins are franchise building, the ultimate goal being April 2012, and facing Uggla in a Braves uniform for the next two seasons as many times as the two teams face each other is exactly what you don't want to do as you attempt to build a bond with your new fanbase. But it doesn't go beyond Vasquez' salary, in reality you can stop there.
November 4, 200917 yr I severely doubt that the Marlins would trade Uggla to a competitive NL East team. However having JJ, Nolasco, and Vazquez in the same rotation would be amazing.
November 4, 200917 yr The salary doesn't match up for us keeping him. I wouldn't want us to end up in a Hampton-esque deal either, because even though Juan Pierre was quite a stud for a while (and the result was a WS), I'm still not very convinced that the talent we gave away and the financial restrictions put on us for covering part of Hampton's contract made the trade all that smart.
November 4, 200917 yr The salary doesn't match up for us keeping him. I wouldn't want us to end up in a Hampton-esque deal either, because even though Juan Pierre was quite a stud for a while (and the result was a WS), I'm still not very convinced that the talent we gave away and the financial restrictions put on us for covering part of Hampton's contract made the trade all that smart. They won the world series. :banghead
November 5, 200917 yr Dont buy too much into it if it is insider only just because this would be breaking news even if it were just a rumor. ESPN wouldnt want to leave this off a headliner... I wouldnt buy too much into it. Well it is on the "Headlines" for ESPN. Not that it changes anything. Yeah but it's not a featured article... meaning they dont care if this story reaches their entire baseball auidience or not. I dunno... I'm usually a bit skeptical when it comes to ESPN Insider.
November 5, 200917 yr This better be all just a rumor. I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous. We better get A LOT more than just Vazquez. He's OK. I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much. This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons??? I'm going to be pissed!
November 5, 200917 yr Author This better be all just a rumor. I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous. We better get A LOT more than just Vazquez. He's OK. I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much. This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons??? I'm going to be pissed! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3786 aka, he was better than Josh Johnson last season.
November 5, 200917 yr This better be all just a rumor. I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous. We better get A LOT more than just Vazquez. He's OK. I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much. This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons??? I'm going to be pissed! Is this a joke? 3rd in WHIP. 6th in ERA. Struck out more than a guy an inning, gave up way less than a hit an inning, and walked less than 2/9 innings. This guy was GREAT last year.
November 5, 200917 yr This better be all just a rumor.  I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous.  We better get  A LOT more than just Vazquez.  He's OK.  I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much.  This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons???  I'm going to be pissed! Wow, can you tell me why he is just "ok"?
November 5, 200917 yr This better be all just a rumor. I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous. We better get A LOT more than just Vazquez. He's OK. I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much. This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons??? I'm going to be pissed! pshh the only fans that should be pissed about this trade are braves fans. I think we would be making a steal trading Uggla for Vazquez. I WISH this trade will go down. do you know how sick our rotation will be???
November 5, 200917 yr This better be all just a rumor. I haven't been upset with any of the "fire" sale trades but this one is ridiculous. We better get A LOT more than just Vazquez. He's OK. I think Dan is worth more than that and the fact we'd have to play against him so much. This is all we can get for a 2B that hit 30 homers all those seasons??? I'm going to be pissed! pshh the only fans that should be pissed about this trade are braves fans. I think we would be making a steal trading Uggla for Vazquez. I WISH this trade will go down. do you know how sick our rotation will be??? The Braves would be the one's smiling.While Vazquez is good and not great, i think Uggla is the more valuable player in the trade.
November 5, 200917 yr I'd do that trade if I didn't hate trading within the division. I still wanna do it. I'm drooling over JJ-Vasquez-Nolasco.
November 5, 200917 yr 1. Would Vazquez really fit into the payroll? 2. The Braves aren't retarded. Apparently, Frisaro is, however. They don't need a 2B.
November 5, 200917 yr I think it's hilarious some of you think Uggla is better than Vazquez. Severe homeritis going on.
November 5, 200917 yr Oh, and Prado was better offensively than Uggla last year. Opps. Nearly same OPS. But Uggla has 20 more HR's and 41 more RBI's.
November 5, 200917 yr I laugh strongly at his $2 million Pinto arbitration projection. Secondly, the Braves would never give us a pitcher of that quality with the emergence of Prado and still having KJ, and even if we did acquire Javy, it would be Hamptonesque and we'd flip him right back out for something else we want. I think it may be a little high, but it's probably in that range. $1.5-$2 mil I would guess. If he's not involved in some kind of trade. He may walk guys too often, but he's not at all bad with inhereted runners and his ERA isn't all that bad. When he first hits the mound it is pretty easy to tell what kind of outing he will have. Shame our previous pen coach couldn't pick up on that. The experts on this board sure don't like him, but that means absolutely nothing. But I do agree with your reasoning on the trade. I don't see it. Frisaro says it more off-handedly and now it's a rumor.
November 5, 200917 yr I say we bring in a veteran like John Burkett to fill the rotation. Along with Bernie Williams to fill in for Hermida leaving. Yeh that's what to do...
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