I don't see Texas trading away any of their young talent for a proven pitcher, I believe they go the Free Agent route to address that.

I like a deal around Perez, Holland, Max Ramirez ©

 

gives us a SP right now ready to replace Johnson with about number 2 potential in Holland, a potential ace of the future still very young in perez and a catcher prospect that was down this year from being hut but has a great bat that can play anywhere.

 

 

 

I highly doubt we'd get both in one deal.

Plus...isn't Texas having financial problems?

they have the cash to sign a few players jj would be within their budget to have specially at cheap for long term.

 

we are going to ask for at least 2 studs back for jj because of age, marketability value (he wants a contract long term and cheap which any other team except this team of hacks that run this like a AA team and whom we shouldnt build a stadium for want), potential.

 

We will get what we want for him as almost every team in baseball will go for it for him.

I can't remember where I read it (nor do I know his twitter address) but Frisaro has a tweet of his own that discounts the BP BS. Came out and hour or so after "the big rumor" and has pretty much been ignored but he warns not to buy into *this*.

 

Hasn't stopped 11,392 possible trade scenarios and internet bloggers from offering their "expert" insider knowledge of what it would take to get a deal done, nonetheless in this case I'd listen to what Frisaro says more closely than some guy in Utah with a bottle and a laptop who's shilling a college basketball report.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/odds-ends-johnson-.html

 

I can see it now,

 

Boston Recieves:

-Josh Johnson

-Dan Uggla

 

Florida Recieves:

-Daniel Bard

-Clay Buchholz

-Casey Kelly

-Ryan Kalish

-Michael Bowden

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/odds-ends-johnson-.html

 

I can see it now,

 

Boston Recieves:

-Josh Johnson

-Dan Uggla

 

Florida Recieves:

-Daniel Bard

-Clay Buchholz

-Casey Kelly

-Ryan Kalish

-Michael Bowden

 

 

I don't think there is any way that Boston makes that kind of deal.

Boston receives:

Josh Johnson

 

Marlins receive:

Jose Iglesias

Michael Bowden

Ryan Kalish

Redsox receive:

 

Hanley Ramirez

 

Marlins receive:

 

Michael Bowden

Ryan Kalish

Josh Reddick

Clay Buchholz

 

hehehe

Quickie update on MLBTR from Buster Olney. Spoke with a number of baseball execs, none of who have been told by the Marlins that Johnson is available. Olney (at least in my estimation) is good enough for one to believe when he asks a question like this he is asking the "right" baseball execs.

 

Olney's comments are in an insider column so you have to go by the way MLBTR is referencing it.

from Peter Gammons on Twitter:

@pgammo Tis the season when agents try to spin news. So here is reality:Josh Johnson isn't going anywhere. 2010 @ $4M is good business for Phish

If his arbitration is only $4 million I'll be shocked

from Peter Gammons on Twitter:

 

@pgammo Tis the season when agents try to spin news. So here is reality:Josh Johnson isn't going anywhere. 2010 @ $4M is good business for Phish

 

 

4 million? Did they miss a 0 at the end? Or did they get the amount confused with the years?

from Peter Gammons on Twitter:

 

@pgammo Tis the season when agents try to spin news. So here is reality:Josh Johnson isn't going anywhere. 2010 @ $4M is good business for Phish

 

 

4 million? Did they miss a 0 at the end? Or did they get the amount confused with the years?

He meant arbitration

The Marlins do not plan to trade right-hander Josh Johnson this offseason, according to two sources with knowledge of the club's intentions.

 

Johnson's agent, Matt Sosnick, is even more adamant that a deal will not occur.

 

"I'd be less surprised if Elijah showed up at my parents' house this Passover than if they trade him before the start of the season," Sosnick said.

 

In Jewish tradition, a cup of wine is poured on Passover for Elijah the Prophet, whose arrival would herald the coming of the Messiah.

 

Johnson, 25, is eligible for free agency after the 2011 season. The Marlins could trade him at any point before then, or keep him at arbitration-inflated salaries in each of the next two years. If Johnson leaves as a free agent, the team will receive only draft picks as compensation.

 

If Johnson doesn't sign a long-term contract, he could be part of an exceptional group of free agent starters after the 2011 season. At present, that class includes Seattle's Felix Hernandez, Detroit's Justin Verlander and Edwin Jackson, Houston's Wandy Rodriguez and Pittsburgh's Zach Duke.

 

Sosnick told ESPN.com earlier this month that negotiations with the Marlins over a long-term deal broke down over the team's reluctance to offer Johnson more than three years.

 

Other sources said the Marlins are willing to offer Johnson four years, but unwilling to increase his salary above shortstop Hanley Ramirez's in their respective free-agent years.

 

Ramirez will earn $15 million, $15.5 million and $16 million in what would have been his free-agent years — 2012, '13 and '14. Johnson could surpass those numbers if he becomes a free agent before his age 28 season.

 

Sosnick said the Marlins never mentioned Ramirez's contract in their recent negotiations, and that their financial offer was never within 20 percent of Ramirez's free-agent numbers.

 

That would put their highest offer for a free-agent year at $12.8 million — 80 percent of $16 million.

 

Johnson was 15-5 with a 3.23 ERA last season, and made his first All-Star team. For his career, he is 34-16 with a 3.40 ERA.

 

 

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I lose respect for Sosnick every time I hear his words.

Sosnick is such a douche.

While Sosnick is getting on my nerves, that Elijah line was hilarious.

$4 million seems to be the base for Johnson next year in arbitration according to most pundits with the range being for the most part from there to 4.2 - 4.5 mil.

 

(google = 24,200 for josh +johnson +$4 +million +arbitration)

$4 million seems to be the base for Johnson next year in arbitration according to most pundits with the range being for the most part from there to 4.2 - 4.5 mil.

 

(google = 24,200 for josh +johnson +$4 +million +arbitration)

 

 

Taking JJ to Arbitration is such a huge painful mistake. It is just wrong but that reminds us that baseball is a business

from Peter Gammons on Twitter:

 

@pgammo Tis the season when agents try to spin news. So here is reality:Josh Johnson isn't going anywhere. 2010 @ $4M is good business for Phish

 

 

4 million? Did they miss a 0 at the end? Or did they get the amount confused with the years?

He meant arbitration

 

I hope that doesn't happen. Either sign him long-term or trade. That's what I'm hoping for.

Yea, either sign him long-term or trade him this off-season

 

Not that it will happen but something like this makes a lot of sense for both sides.

 

Dodgers

Josh Johnson

Dan Uggla

 

Marlins

Josh Lindblom

Scott Elbert

Ethan Martin

James McDonald

Andrew Lambo

Chris Withrow

Pretty much every credible source is saying the Marlins have no intentions on trading him now. So I really hope we lock him up, long-term.

Taking JJ to Arbitration is such a huge painful mistake. It is just wrong but that reminds us that baseball is a business

 

 

And it also reminds us just how cheap our ownership is. Even with the increased revenue they are going to get in 2012, they are still reluctant to spend any money. This is why there should have been promises in writing from Loria that if he owns the team, and the new stadium opens, he has to spend at least the league average. Anything less is unacceptable for the taxpayers who are footing the bill for his team to reap him millions of $$$ on the backs of hard working Miami-Dade County workers who can't even afford to set foot in the stadium.

$4 million seems to be the base for Johnson next year in arbitration according to most pundits with the range being for the most part from there to 4.2 - 4.5 mil.

 

(google = 24,200 for josh +johnson +$4 +million +arbitration)

 

Johnson could win a tender over $5 million, just how 'pundits' thought Uggla and Cabrera would get lower than what they did. Lester is making $5.75 million in year 5, That's a pretty scary baseline. Adam Wainwright $4.65 (and remember, he was hurt and missed part of a season too so he is a good comp for JJ showing a pitcher receiving this much when only throwing a year and a half instead of 2 full seasons before arbitration year 5). A Matt Cain with serious "win" problems on San Francisco, got $4.25. James Shields, who stinks, has $4.25.

 

And these are all on buyouts, where you can expect a higher arbitration tender because a player isn't lowering his yearly salary in favor of guaranteed years down the road. Felix Hernandez and Justin Verlander are going to absolutely bank in arbitration if they are not resigned, so those are going to be more damning cases if that occurs.

 

Arbitration is a game remember. If JJ puts in $5.2, and the Marlins $4. JJ is going to win quickly because the marlins offer is "to low." If JJ puts in $5, and the Marlins $4.4, that could swing because you've distinguished out Cain/Shields, and can start arguing Wainwright is striking out more guys, a lower era, and pitched 50 more innings over the prior two years. I can totally see a scenario where the marlins stick to their organizational beliefs and argue service time and try to lowball JJ with $4 million, and Sosnick tries to give the front office a big FU and goes big with over $5. And when push comes to shove, JJ just won 15 games with a 3.23 era, a 1.16 whip, struck out 191, and was just as good off injury last year. He is 22-6 since he came back. If the Marlins cannot definitively show why JJ is worth a certain price, they will lose. Johnson is not the type of player you want to take to arbitration and lowball. If the Marlins are anywhere below Cain or Shields, they will lose as long as JJ doesn't ask for more than Lester. If I'm the Marlins, the minimum I would offer is $4.5 and hope Sosnick doesn't want $5.5. And really, I don't like the idea of $4.5 either. You can't lowball the premier guys. Lack of service time is only going to hold him back so much.

on the backs of hard working Miami-Dade County workers who can't even afford to set foot in the stadium.

 

Considering that $300+ million of the cost will be covered by hotel bed taxes (also called "tourist" taxes,) unless "hard working Miami-Dade County workers" are staying in local hotels, they won't be paying a dime of that.

 

Neither will they be paying any part of the $155 million being covered by the Marlins.

 

Only about 10% of the cost falls under the "general obligation" category. Loria would have been absolutely crazy to tie his hands in any way just to please people who don't know what they're talking about.

on the backs of hard working Miami-Dade County workers who can't even afford to set foot in the stadium.

 

Considering that $300+ million of the cost will be covered by hotel bed taxes (also called "tourist" taxes,) unless "hard working Miami-Dade County workers" are staying in local hotels, they won't be paying a dime of that.

 

Neither will they be paying any part of the $155 million being covered by the Marlins.

 

Only about 10% of the cost falls under the "general obligation" category. Loria would have been absolutely crazy to tie his hands in any way just to please people who don't know what they're talking about.

 

QFT.

 

You can't tell someone how to run their business. In the short term the Marlins are proving to be a tighter wad then Grandma at Christmas.

 

Miami Dade is getting a premier baseball stadium, tourist revenue from the WBC and All-star games, and other attractions. They aren't going broke paying for this. Look at the Superbowl. There is a reason why citys fight for it. Because the influx of business is too great to ignore.

 

If I was Loria, and someone told me I need to spend atleast 60+ a year on payroll a year in order to get a stadium, I'd call Portland and San Antonio and schedule a MidNight Move reminisant of the Baltimore Colts.

 

He knows what he's doing payroll wise. Beinfest and Hill know what their doing personel wise. We may not win a championship every year, but we will compete for one. Look at the Blue Jays for an example of why spending doesn't bring wins, look at the Mets.

 

You can't just say more money solves problems. More money makes you make dumb decisions. More money means more risk and less reward.