Hotcorner Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 MLB's Jonathan Mayo re-ranks the kids after the trade. Top 100 overall prospects in (). http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/index.jsp?tcid=mm_mlb_players 1. Yelich (17) 2. Fernandez (22) 3. Marisnick (35) 4. Nicolino (86) 5. Heaney 6. Hechavarria 7. Cox 8. Ozuna 9. Conley 10. Realmuto 11. Romero 12. Perio 13. Brantly 14. Copeland 15. James 16. Solorzano 17. Mattison 18. Urena 19. Dean 20. Canha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So we added the #3, #4, and #6 guys in our system, including 2 top-100 prospects, with that trade. Also, is that Dean as in PJ Dean?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Austin Dean OF, 4th round pick last year. Brantly seems like he should be higher than Realmuto at this point, and not sure why Mattison keeps showing up on these lists. Don't think Perio should be that high either. But yeah getting 3, 4, and 6 certainly gives a boost to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridafly Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Chad James keeps falling as well. *cue Beinfest 1st round draft pick joke* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Our prospect list sucks. We have old prospects showing power and young guys with no power. We have SP's who project as 3's or could end up in the bullpen. We have C's who are SS's, another who has had 6 years to get to AAA. Not to mention the fact all of our guys supposedly have a "plus glove, but has yet to develop with the bat" I'm so disappointed. Only one I see as a top top prospect is Fernandez, and he's still raw. I really hope Yelich develops power, but without it I can't see why he's always rated so high. I don't know what to make of Ozuna at Jupiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Our prospect list sucks. We have old prospects showing power and young guys with no power. We have SP's who project as 3's or could end up in the bullpen. We have C's who are SS's, another who has had 6 years to get to AAA. Not to mention the fact all of our guys supposedly have a "plus glove, but has yet to develop with the bat" I'm so disappointed. Only one I see as a top top prospect is Fernandez, and he's still raw. I really hope Yelich develops power, but without it I can't see why he's always rated so high. I don't know what to make of Ozuna at Jupiter. Speed and defense. They were lying this time. Unfortunately you still need to score runs to wins baseball games. But do any of these guys really deserve to e considered a top 40 prospect in all of baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Yelich and Fernandez absolutely do. Yelich is one of the best pure hitters in the minors and he also led the Florida State League in slugging at .519. The homers can still come, as long as he's hitting doubles and triples it's a good sign. He was never supposed to be a masher. The better prospects have been at the lower levels since they've whiffed on so many guys over the years. After Stanton came up Jax and New Orleans have been mostly barren in terms of top talent. There are guys that could still make it though. Brad Hand was the one I had higher hopes for but he hasn't figured out how to not walk people. The upcoming season will tell a lot since at some point we should see an outfield of Ozuna-Marisnick-Yelich, along with Fernandez, Realmuto, Cox, Conley, Canha all up in AA Jax where we'll get a better idea if they're 2014 possibilities or not. (Not that success there guarantees anything obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So we added the #3, #4, and #6 guys in our system, including 2 top-100 prospects, with that trade. Also, is that Dean as in PJ Dean?? + Henderson "Anderson Perez" Alvarez. Many like his upside and he'd probably be a top-100 prospect if he was still eligible, as well. From most things I've read, scouts seem to think he has more upside than Nicolino, currently a top-100 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Our prospect list sucks. We have old prospects showing power and young guys with no power. We have SP's who project as 3's or could end up in the bullpen. We have C's who are SS's, another who has had 6 years to get to AAA. Not to mention the fact all of our guys supposedly have a "plus glove, but has yet to develop with the bat" I'm so disappointed. Only one I see as a top top prospect is Fernandez, and he's still raw. I really hope Yelich develops power, but without it I can't see why he's always rated so high. I don't know what to make of Ozuna at Jupiter. Speed and defense. They were lying this time. Unfortunately you still need to score runs to wins baseball games. But do any of these guys really deserve to e considered a top 40 prospect in all of baseball? Apparently Yelich, Fernandez and Marisnick are deserving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Any news on where we rank regarding the top farm systems since the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Any news on where we rank regarding the top farm systems since the deal? Considering there are 30 teams, having 3 guys in the top 32 is damn good. Not sure about depth, but good at the top, including 2 elite prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Any news on where we rank regarding the top farm systems since the deal? Considering there are 30 teams, having 3 guys in the top 32 is damn good. Not sure about depth, but good at the top, including 2 elite prospects. Well, this is why I'm curious where we now rank... Hopefully now we're in the middle of the pack compared to like number 28 before this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I think Beinfest and Co. have drafted much better the last three years. The 12' class has alot of promise as the first 5 picks seem to be very promising. Heaney, Romero, Copeland, Dean, and Nola all could end up in the bigs. The 11' class is headlined by Fernandez , but it also includes Conley, Lowell, and Barnes who are having early success in the minors. The 10' class of course has Yelich, but Realmuto, and Brice could also end up in the bigs one day as well as Canha. Of course it's still way too soon to tell how any of these guys will turn out. Even if you go back to the 09' class you will find some talent there. Of course James is a bust so far, but he is still young and has a strong arm from all accounts. However, there a couple of intriguing propects in that class as well with Hodges, Jensen, Keys, and A J Ramos. I love Jensens power bat, and I think he might even get a shot in 13' to play LF. Ramos was already up with the big squad last season and held his own, and he positivley destoryed minor league hitters. All in all with this influx of young talent from the "big trade" we seem to have a solid farm system once again. In my opinion the two single most devastating blows to our farm system were the 05' draft where Beinfest missed on all five 1st round picks, and the Cabrera trade which netted us Zero in return. Those two disasters have been hard to overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Chad James keeps falling as well. *cue Beinfest 1st round draft pick joke* Yeah, I'm really glad they picked James over Shelby Miller (19th overall, next pick after James) and Mike Trout (2012 ROY, 2012 MVP-runner up, 6 picks after James) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Chad James keeps falling as well. *cue Beinfest 1st round draft pick joke* Again a signability pick, the Marlins cheapness is really evident in that 5 of their top 20 weren't developed from within. Of course its still surprising to see Mattison on a prospect list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It seems like this team's got quite a couple of guys that predict to be middle of the rotation starters. I'm really hoping that Fernandez pans out, because there aren't any other ace-types in our system. Heaney, Nicolino, and Eovaldi, are all 3-4 from what I've seen - with Turner being more of a 2-3. A rotation of: Fernandez Turner Nicolino Heaney Eovaldi Sounds really really solid potentially. Not taking into account any offseason addition we'd make in the future that could slot at 1 or 2 and push someone out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2r09 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Im really hoping both Turner and Fernandez can both turn into top of the rotation pitchers. Especially Turner, he would be huge for the system. I feel like Fernandez is already a Verlander type cant miss ace. Hopefully they allow him to pitch deeper into games this year. Our development of starting pitchers is horrible because we never let them throw a lot of pitches and when they get to the big leagues 5 innings isnt going to cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridafly Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Wow, this trade really did replenish our farm system. I'd say we must be around the #10 farm system now, if not a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 It seems like this team's got quite a couple of guys that predict to be middle of the rotation starters. I'm really hoping that Fernandez pans out, because there aren't any other ace-types in our system. Heaney, Nicolino, and Eovaldi, are all 3-4 from what I've seen - with Turner being more of a 2-3. A rotation of: Fernandez Turner Nicolino Heaney Eovaldi Sounds really really solid potentially. Not taking into account any offseason addition we'd make in the future that could slot at 1 or 2 and push someone out. Yeah and there's also Adam Conley who's been moving through the system next to Fernandez, he's pretty highly thought of. And don't rule out Anderson Hernandez yet, as Erick mentioned some feel he could turn out pretty decent. Then you have the next tier of guys like Lowell, Urena, Hope, etc who could push for a spot down the road. Can never have too much pitching depth in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Im really hoping both Turner and Fernandez can both turn into top of the rotation pitchers. Especially Turner, he would be huge for the system. I feel like Fernandez is already a Verlander type cant miss ace. Hopefully they allow him to pitch deeper into games this year. Our development of starting pitchers is horrible because we never let them throw a lot of pitches and when they get to the big leagues 5 innings isnt going to cut it. They're gonna let him pitch more than 5 innings, don't worry. They were just protecting his arm or something to that effect. Innings limit. He'll dominate pitching an average of 6.2/G this season in AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Can we start them all next season for kicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Can we start them all next season for kicks? 20 man rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Claude Van Damme Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 For comparison's sake, Jason Parks at Baseball Prospectus just ranked our top ten as: 1. Jose Fernandez 2. Christian Yelich 3. Jake Marisnick 4. Justin Nicolino 5. Andrew Heaney 6. Rob Brantly 7. Austin Brice 8. Avery Romer 9. Jacob Realmuto 10. Marcel Ozuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 same top 5, I like Brantly at 6. Curious that they have Austin Brice at 7, Mayo doesn't even have him in the top 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2r09 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 im glad he has brantly higher than others ive seen. He has a very high upside to me and some have him ranked as our 13th or so best prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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