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According to Barry Jackson and if Haren retires they will allocate the money to Latos' which is kind of annoying.

 

But if they trade him and the other team assumes the money they will have traded Eovaldi and Haren yet not filled the rotation with much.

 

Stop being a fucking bitch. It's 1 year.

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Well duh. He didn't want to play here. The Marlins thinking they could convince him to want to play here was stupid (although they did the trade knowing the chances of this happening were more likely than not).

 

And the rotation is fine if not a bit questionable. I like Eovaldi but he got us a pretty sizable upgrade at 3B in Prado. The trade with Haren was really for Dee Gordon and most of the prospects given away were for Gordon, with the rest thrown in so the Dodgers would take on Haren's salary.

 

This was the scenario we all anticipated. If we get anything for Haren from the Angels, Padres, or whatever West Coast team would want him, even if it's just some single A arms, then great.e If he retires and we get nothing, so be it. Next season we're going in with Alvarez/Latos/Cosart/Koehler and one of Phelps/Hand/Crow starting off the season as the #5 and rotating based on a variety of factors (injuries, under performance, etc...).

 

I view Jose Fernandez this year as pretty much being the best Trade Deadline acquisition any team will make. I think to be a playoff caliber team, we'll have to stay at least around 5 to 7 games over .500 when the Trade Deadline hits. Can we be that much over .500 relying on that rotation mentioned above for four months of the season? Alvarez and Latos should certainly be fine, and while Cosart is a question mark if he's even half as good as last year he's a perfect #3. Add to that if Koehler and the #5 can post mid 4 ERA's, with our offense hopefully improved we could be in good shape come late July.

 

Look. I'm not calling it a perfect situation. The front office didn't build a perfectly balanced roster and it took nearly the entirety of our minor league system to get it. But the team is definitely improved.

 

 

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I wish we would grow some ball and sign Max Scherzer...

 

 

If you want to be paying old past his prime Max Scherzer $20-25 million a year in his age 35 to 38 years at the backend of a seven or eight year contract, by all means show us your bank account and donate that money to Loria and we'll have Scherzer right now.

 

But no sane team is giving Scherzer the long term deal he's looking for because they all know how stupid it will be later on. Whichever team ends up giving him that deal will have the financial means to overcome that irrationality later (Cubs/Yankees/Red Sox kind of teams) and are always in win now mode. While you could say our front office has shown that they're in win now mode, we don't have the money to be giving a quarter of our future overall payroll to a soon to be past his prime Max Scherzer.

 

 

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According to Barry Jackson and if Haren retires they will allocate the money to Latos' which is kind of annoying.

 

But if they trade him and the other team assumes the money they will have traded Eovaldi and Haren yet not filled the rotation with much.

 

Stop being a fucking bitch. It's 1 year.

 

Loria wants to make sure you still have things to complain about. ;)

 

I am not sure if Jackson is simply speculating with his comments on their plans or has a source.

 

 

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Cosart, Koehler, Phelps/Hand 3-4-5 is not a playoff team (neither is Haren).

 

They need a # 3 SP

 

It's also a little ridiculous to assume Fernandez comes back 100% immediately. He will be an upgrade whenever back even at 75%, but expectations should be limited and if he is normal Jose, a bonus.

 

They need another SP and it's foolish of the front office to think otherwise. I think this is posturing and they know they need to do something.

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Cosart, Koehler, Phelps/Hand 3-4-5 is not a playoff team (neither is Haren).

 

They need a # 3 SP

 

It's also a little ridiculous to assume Fernandez comes back 100% immediately. He will be an upgrade whenever back even at 75%, but expectations should be limited and if he is normal Jose, a bonus.

 

They need another SP and it's foolish of the front office to think otherwise. I think this is posturing and they know they need to do something.

 

 

I disagree. Their 1-2-3 and maybe even 4 spots in the rotation are fine. Cosart is good. However, one more would be nice.

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Cosart, Koehler, Phelps/Hand 3-4-5 is not a playoff team (neither is Haren).

 

They need a # 3 SP

 

It's also a little ridiculous to assume Fernandez comes back 100% immediately. He will be an upgrade whenever back even at 75%, but expectations should be limited and if he is normal Jose, a bonus.

 

They need another SP and it's foolish of the front office to think otherwise. I think this is posturing and they know they need to do something.

 

 

I disagree. Their 1-2-3 and maybe even 4 spots in the rotation are fine. Cosart is good. However, one more would be nice.

 

 

I think it's a little too early to be definitely ringing the "Cossart is good" bell yet.

 

 

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Cosart, Koehler, Phelps/Hand 3-4-5 is not a playoff team (neither is Haren).

 

They need a # 3 SP

 

It's also a little ridiculous to assume Fernandez comes back 100% immediately. He will be an upgrade whenever back even at 75%, but expectations should be limited and if he is normal Jose, a bonus.

 

They need another SP and it's foolish of the front office to think otherwise. I think this is posturing and they know they need to do something.

 

 

I disagree. Their 1-2-3 and maybe even 4 spots in the rotation are fine. Cosart is good. However, one more would be nice.

 

 

I'd argue Cosart is one of the worst and/or unproven # 3 SP in baseball. He's a 5 on a great team, an acceptable 4 otherwise due to his projection potential. This isn't a knock against him, I like him and think he's going to be really solid for the franchise longterm, but he is still developing. Hopefully he hits his ceiling sooner than later and becomes that 2/3 and I'm just wrong. I'd rather be cautious though and get some more solid innings just in case.

 

Just in the NL East, he's matching up against A. Wood, Fister, DeGrom/Wheeler, and ok the Phillies suck. It's not even arguable with those first 3. You can even go 6-7 guys deep on some teams. Wacha is the 4 in St. Louis. Hard to compete with that for playoff spots.

 

I just scanned all teams. The only teams I can say that definitely have an equal or worse 3rd SP than the Marlins right now are the Astros, Diamondbacks, Phillies, Rangers, Rockies, and Twins. Not great company there.

 

They need a SP pretty bad. Haren would be OK if he plays, even if still below league average, because he is seemingly durable and isn't as bad as people think (with the added bonus this pushes Koehler/Phelps to bullpen which is fantastic for depth), but the missing piece on this team is a "completely healthy day 1 Fernandez" or a rock solid # 3 SP or better who will eat 190-210 innings and help a bullpen trickle down. Only the later is possible here.

 

I suspect we'll see a move before spring training. They can't possibly spend $350+ million in player contracts and enter a season with Cosart, Phelps, and Koehler as the 3-4-5. That's insane. They are in it to win it. A SP move is coming, or they'll somehow get Haren to pitch and hope for the best

 

 

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If you want to be paying old past his prime Max Scherzer $20-25 million a year in his age 35 to 38 years at the backend of a seven or eight year contract, by all means show us your bank account and donate that money to Loria and we'll have Scherzer right now.

 

Loria bought a baseball team, because he has money to run a baseball team. it would be nice if he'd keep payroll higher than 50% of the league average

 

 

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I would sign Shields. The contract won't be massive, and it gives us insurance if Latos walks next year. The rotation in 2016 looks like total shit as it stands.

 

Fernandez

Alvarez

Cosart

Shit 1

Shit 2

 

 

That's a great option as they wouldn't lose anyone.

 

And if they trade Haren and Cishek, the first year of Shields is "free" salary wise (plus getting something good for Cishek). I think a strong 4 year deal would get it done, maybe vesting 5th year if he hits innings thresholds.

 

 

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