1 hour ago, pollythewog said:

His contract is like $2.5M this year and he’ll most likely go 20/30 or better if he stays healthy. A 2.5 to 3 WAR player at that price is pretty darn good. He’s also more valuable defensively at 2b. if they’re not going get any good prospects for him they should just hold onto him really. He’ll cost what, like $7M max next year?

 Not talking about next year though. Also, the longer he's under control the more value he has - would you want to spend 30mil a year on a guy who has not once had a special season in MLB with the injury history he has? Get him outta here.

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

 Not talking about next year though. Also, the longer he's under control the more value he has - would you want to spend 30mil a year on a guy who has not once had a special season in MLB with the injury history he has? Get him outta here.

I’m okay to trade jazz but not for peanuts is all! Also, he’s an above avg defender in the IF so kinda hard blame him for being below avg OF

 

21 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

I’m okay to trade jazz but not for peanuts is all! Also, he’s an above avg defender in the IF so kinda hard blame him for being below avg OF

 

Did he grade out as above average at second? I seem to remember him making a fair amount of shitty plays there too.

 

Also, I didn't say to trade him for garbage - it's just that people are making him out to be this all-star level player and he's just never really done anything special in MLB to warrant that assessment. 

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by hovertical

5 minutes ago, hovertical said:

he's just never really done anything special in MLB to warrant that assessment. 

But just wait, he will. Its coming!

2 hours ago, Admin said:

But just wait, he will. Its coming!

*in 2057, the next year the Marlins expect to be competitive

1 minute ago, rmc523 said:

*in 2057, the next year the Marlins expect to be competitive

**in Tennessee, as the Terriers

1 hour ago, Michael said:

**in Tennessee, as the Terriers

I support this if Bruce isn't the owner

On 7/23/2024 at 6:46 PM, hovertical said:

Why though? He's not doing anything special this year and he hasn't really played much or had a special season in the past. He's literally lived off of his unearned rep for a few years now.  The team isn't winning with him on it this year and he's been injured when they were winning so I don't see how he adds much in the grand scheme of things - he's also going to want WAY more than he's worth because he thinks he's producing at an all-star level year over year. 

He's a player you build around. He's had some bad luck but the talent is undeniable. Trading him would be monumentally stupid so I'm sure we'll do it

14 hours ago, Iowa said:

He's a player you build around. He's had some bad luck but the talent is undeniable. Trading him would be monumentally stupid so I'm sure we'll do it

I don't understand how he's a player you build a team around as he's not really a team player type of person. I get that you're a fan of his, as I was for the first few years - however, he's just never shown he can do anything consistently except play below what we assume is his actual skill level.  Guys you build teams around are typically the type of guys who have excelled in at least a couple seasons to show some sort of consistency.

I don't understand why you'd want to build an entire team around a guy who has never had a great season and has been in the bigs for awhile now.  It just doesn't make sense to me.

There is zero chance they'll sign Jazz long term nor should they considering the price he'll ask for compared to his actual production.

So its either hold onto him and lose him for nothing in FA eventually or trade him.

Hmm? Tough choice.

Laughable 

How in the hell can a team devoid of offensive talent trade their best offensive player? Yes I understand he hasn't put it all together yet but clearly he has taken steps defensively and with his strike zone patience. Staying healthy this year would be a big step. Having zero protection around him doesn't help anyone, especially this clownshow of an offense. I am not looking forward to the day he has a real lineup and is one of the best players in the league on someone else's team. Just another day as a Marlin fan.

Can't wait to see what B-level prospects we get that won't pan out. I effing can't stand this organization. Hurry up football season. DA BEARS!!!

 

Also this whole clubhouse cancer thing is soooooooooooooooo stupid. Words can't explain what a dumb argument that is 

52 minutes ago, Iowa said:

How in the hell can a team devoid of offensive talent trade their best offensive player? Yes I understand he hasn't put it all together yet but clearly he has taken steps defensively and with his strike zone patience. Staying healthy this year would be a big step. Having zero protection around him doesn't help anyone, especially this clownshow of an offense. I am not looking forward to the day he has a real lineup and is one of the best players in the league on someone else's team. Just another day as a Marlin fan.

Can't wait to see what B-level prospects we get that won't pan out. I effing can't stand this organization. Hurry up football season. DA BEARS!!!

 

Also this whole clubhouse cancer thing is soooooooooooooooo stupid. Words can't explain what a dumb argument that is 

Agree the clubhouse thing is completely ridiculous.

jazz has been playing some of his best baseball ever since the all star break. The guy is electric and will suck to get 3 19 year olds for him

Looking at Jazz's stats two things stand out:

1) His stats for the last four years are amazingly consistent.  In fact if you take 1/4 of the games from 2021 and put them in 2022 his numbers look like mirror images.  His average is always within a few points, right around .250.  His other peripherals are remarkable consistent.  Speed, power, games played almost statistically the same.  You know exactly what you will get from him at the plate and as he's gotten older his production remains stagnant.

2) His drop in advanced metrics like WAR are almost 100% on the defensive side.  The demarcating line is 2022/2023.  Plus defender previous, minus defender current.  Hmmm..what caused the siginificant decline.  If you said position change, you win the prize.

 

 

I mean the Marlins already traded their best offensive player this season to the Padres. I am still far more upset they traded him after one season (where he won his 2nd straight batting title in our shitty hitting park no less) than I will be over trading Jazz.  

 

Either way, they had success last year without Jazz so it wasn't like he was the cog that powered the team or anything.  He's a good player but clearly they aren't going to be interested in fielding a remotely competitive team in the next several seasons so he needs to go, especially since he's actually not injured for once.

18 hours ago, Iowa said:

How in the hell can a team devoid of offensive talent trade their best offensive player? Yes I understand he hasn't put it all together yet but clearly he has taken steps defensively and with his strike zone patience. Staying healthy this year would be a big step. Having zero protection around him doesn't help anyone, especially this clownshow of an offense. I am not looking forward to the day he has a real lineup and is one of the best players in the league on someone else's team. Just another day as a Marlin fan.

Can't wait to see what B-level prospects we get that won't pan out. I effing can't stand this organization. Hurry up football season. DA BEARS!!!

 

Also this whole clubhouse cancer thing is soooooooooooooooo stupid. Words can't explain what a dumb argument that is 

Because that what happens when you blow everything up....again.

15 hours ago, hovertical said:

I mean the Marlins already traded their best offensive player this season to the Padres. I am still far more upset they traded him after one season (where he won his 2nd straight batting title in our shitty hitting park no less) than I will be over trading Jazz.  

 

Either way, they had success last year without Jazz so it wasn't like he was the cog that powered the team or anything.  He's a good player but clearly they aren't going to be interested in fielding a remotely competitive team in the next several seasons so he needs to go, especially since he's actually not injured for once.

It's not even just that they traded Arraez after one season. It's that they traded him in early May when they could have just waited a couple of months and likely gotten a much better return at the trade deadline.

We seriously probably got a better return for A.J. freaking Puk than we did for Arraez. Just goes to show how much more teams will be willing to surrender the closer you get to the trade deadline.

How this didn't cross Bendix's mind is beyond me. Unless he really has that big of an ego and wanted to make sure this was "his team" as soon as possible.

19 hours ago, pollythewog said:

Agree the clubhouse thing is completely ridiculous.

jazz has been playing some of his best baseball ever since the all star break. The guy is electric and will suck to get 3 19 year olds for him

He has a .727 OPS this season and has a lifetime .749 OPS. Also stinks defensively regardless of where you put him. He's had one really good showing in five years and he only played in 60 games that season because of injuries (surprise, surprise).

I don't know what it is with so many of us acting like Jazz is Miguel Cabrera. Fun fact: he has the same lifetime OPS as Jeremy Hermida.

I was willing to be patient with him but I think he just pretty much is what he is at this point. Yeah he's exciting once in a while, but at the end of the day he's just an okay hitter without a position.

And for what it's worth, the clubhouse thing does matter, particularly when you're a player who isn't very good.

Hanley got killed here for some of his antics and he was actually good. Why should Jazz be any different?

Edited July 26, 20241 yr by Valid

12 minutes ago, Valid said:

He has a .727 OPS this season and has a lifetime .749 OPS. Also stinks defensively regardless of where you put him. He's had one really good showing in five years and he only played in 60 games that season because of injuries (surprise, surprise).

I don't know what it is with so many of us acting like Jazz is Miguel Cabrera. Fun fact: he has the same lifetime OPS as Jeremy Hermida.

I was willing to be patient with him but I think he just pretty much is what he is at this point. Yeah he's exciting once in a while, but at the end of the day he's just an okay hitter without a position.

And for what it's worth, the clubhouse thing does matter, particularly when you're a player who isn't very good.

Hanley got killed here for some of his antics and he was actually good. Why should Jazz be any different?

He's certainly not someone you build a team around - he's the guy you get to push your team over when you already have a good core. He's a good player but he's not the type that carries a franchise. Not that we'd ever retain, let alone sign in FA, one of those types.

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

He's certainly not someone you build a team around - he's the guy you get to push your team over when you already have a good core. He's a good player but he's not the type that carries a franchise. Not that we'd ever retain, let alone sign in FA, one of those types.

For sure. He would have fit very well on those 2008 and 2009 teams, for example. He's a complementary player; not a star. That's why it just doesn't make much sense to keep him at this point. Trade him now when he still has a couple of years of club control left.

Based on randy trade package, they should just keep jazz 

2 hours ago, hovertical said:

He's certainly not someone you build a team around - he's the guy you get to push your team over when you already have a good core. He's a good player but he's not the type that carries a franchise. Not that we'd ever retain, let alone sign in FA, one of those types.

Yeah exactly. He actually needs to be traded to a team like the Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Red Sox that have their own strong culture and will keep him in line. Cause the talent is there but he hasn’t been humbled yet and he desperately needs it. 

6 hours ago, Valid said:

He has a .727 OPS this season and has a lifetime .749 OPS. Also stinks defensively regardless of where you put him. He's had one really good showing in five years and he only played in 60 games that season because of injuries (surprise, surprise).

I don't know what it is with so many of us acting like Jazz is Miguel Cabrera. Fun fact: he has the same lifetime OPS as Jeremy Hermida.

I was willing to be patient with him but I think he just pretty much is what he is at this point. Yeah he's exciting once in a while, but at the end of the day he's just an okay hitter without a position.

And for what it's worth, the clubhouse thing does matter, particularly when you're a player who isn't very good.

Hanley got killed here for some of his antics and he was actually good. Why should Jazz be any different?

I remember when Jeremy Hermida hit a grand slam in his first at bat. I was so hyped.

1 minute ago, Trade Ya Mama said:

I remember when Jeremy Hermida hit a grand slam in his first at bat. I was so hyped.

I remember how hyped you were

1 hour ago, Trade Ya Mama said:

I remember when Jeremy Hermida hit a grand slam in his first at bat. I was so hyped.

I honestly remember it like it was yesterday lol back when I wasn’t completely cynical about every aspect of this organization.

Edited July 26, 20241 yr by marlinsmaniac