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Shut Up.

 

You're making us look like horrendous fans who have the patience of a squirrel looking for a place to take a s***. We just got off a six game winning streak. SIX! In the span of that streak, we not only overtook first place but had a solid lead and still hold that lead despite a slip tonight. Winning six out of every seven games is not only fun, it's outstanding and rare. Teams don't win six of seven on a regular basis. But instead of celebrating this, we must get pissed at two pitchers who frankly don't deserve that much blame.

 

Did Al Leiter do well? No. However, did you ever stop to ponder what effect the 40 minute rain delay had on him in the middle of the inning he was pitching in? He had to come back and pitch with runners on base right away after having been sitting in the clubhouse for more than half an hour. That's not exactly easy, hell that's not even difficult. That's mind bogglingly hard. Did Logan Kensing have a bad outing? Yes. Did it help that the defense just collectively decided they weren't going to run to anything at all? No. Why not rip on the players who were out there in the field walking and jogging to balls that were in play and very catchable? Why not rip on players that didn't move at all when the score was 6-2?

 

Where's the offense's blame in all this? How different is this game if the middle of the order shows up in the few innings before? In the first inning, we had first and second with no outs and had to rely on a single that just got over the glove of the second baseman and an incredibly slumping third baseman for our two runs. If Enc's liner doesn't go over Polanco's glove by inches, we might get shut out today.

 

I'm not blaming this game on anyone, because the Heat won, and we won the previous six games. We have four games upcoming against New York and it's useless dwelling in the past when that past is viewed negatively even though it got you first place. Miguel Cabrera is leading the league in Average. Juan Encarnacion, Carlos Delgado, and Miguel Cabrera are all in the top 15 in RBIs, Cabs and Delgado are also in the Top 20 for homers. The pitching staff is delivering amazing performance after amazing performance. You just witnessed six consecutive come from behind victories!

 

Calm down. The team won six in a row before tonight. Stop being little bitches, complaining about everything. Yesterday this team was the baseball incarnation of the 1972 Miami Dolphins, and now it's the 1998 Marlins.

 

No.

 

These are the 2005 First Place in the NL East Florida Marlins.

 

Now shut the f*** up and enjoy tomorrow's game.

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Damn. Right.

 

Seriously Marlin 'Fans' act like you have f***ing been in this situation before instead of starting anarchy when a pitcher walks one batter or a hitter grounds out.

 

When people post ridiculous crap now, we should just post this thread's link.

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Guest Fritz

I concur. Some of you guys need to realize this is a 162 game season and that winning 6 out of 7 isn't going to happen all that often.

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this team is playing great ball but i don't think it's out of line to call attention to a player who consistently underacheives. when 2 months into the season one of your high-profile starters has 2 wins, 2 quality starts and a near-7 ERA, that is something to be concerned about. this isn't the brewers who are just excited not to be in the basement for once; this is a team whose mission is to knock off the braves in the NL east and return to the world series. expectations are high so it's natural for people to take success for granted and freak out when the team doesn't deliver.

 

what doesn't make sense is to get on a player who's done well for us all year when he screws up once or twice, which happens to everybody over the course of the season. cabrera's gonna hit into some double plays, dontrelle and josh are going to have some crap outings, etc. no big deal. but when a player consistently plays poorly, that is a big deal. leiter had allowed 2 guys on to start each inning BEFORE the rain delay. personally i like leiter a lot but when one of your starters is pitching as poorly as he is, even if we're in first, that leaves us very little margin for error.

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When Leiter stops taking a s*** on the mound, we'll stop talking s*** about him. The six game winning streak was awesome, but frankly I'm glad to see people give a damn about every game and get upset when we lose. Last time I checked the Braves were only a half game back, so now isn't the time to be sitting back and passing out cigars over one win streak. Short of one team going on a tear (say 15-5) it's going to be close down to the wire. Every game this season becomes important, and trotting out Leiter Fluid every fifth day to ignite the opponents' offense could be the difference between winning the division and missing the playoffs.

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It's not about losing tonight and snapping the win streak that got me. It's been about Al's total performance over the first two months of the season and the money given to him to pitch with a horrendous ERA and lack of quality starts. I wasn't surprised to see Al give the runs right back tonight. His control is off and his walks hurt him. I'm not freaking out yet...I'm more concerned as to how Al will contribute over the rest of the season. Can anyone honestly say if the season ended today, that Al would be pitching in the post season? It would be Josh, D-Train, AJ, and Mohler (spelling?) as a playoff rotation. Al wouldn't even see relief time like D-Train did in '03. Still talking hypothetical, if the season ended next week and we were locked in a tie with the Braves for the division, and we had 3 games home and 3 away against Atlanta and Al was scheduled to pitch 2 times in that span, would you honestly let him?

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Wait did I miss something?? :blink:

 

 

 

 

And yes, I absolutely 100% agree.

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If you read this forum, then you didnt miss anything.

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All the fighting and *****ing and bickering about certain things?

 

 

Yeah, I guess I didn't miss anything.

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But instead of celebrating this, we must get pissed at two pitchers who frankly don't deserve that much blame.

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Tell me again how Leiter doesn't deserve much blame?

 

Look... for myself, I don't preach doom & gloom after a loss, but I will complain about things that frustrate me as a fan. I'm not going to bitch if Encarnacion goes 0-4 one night because he's doing well in general. I'm not going to complain much about Kensing because he's a rookie & they're trying to figure out if he's got major league stuff or not. I AM however going to complain about Leiter stinking because it's become the norm rather than the exception this season.

 

I think the number of new threads ripping Leiter is a little silly since they're no reason to start a new thread except to pee yourself over seeing your name next to "Leiter sux!", so yeah some of the posts go overboard, but I'm sure as hell not going to defend him.

 

I'll complain when it's deserved, thanks very much.

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The problem with the leiter bashing is that very few people bring out reasonable arguments. "leiter sucks", 'hes finished', 'trade him for kazmir'. Those are all idiotic statements and contribute to nothing. Leiter has been struggling this year. granted. Hes pitched 9 games. 2 of them (mets at shea and padres) were excelllent starts. He didnt win either. Hes won 2 games, and has kept the team in 2 more (which he didnt win either). He got rocked in 3 games. So putting that into perspective, at the end of may, and also ocnsidering that one of the games he got rocked in was after a 33 minute rain delay. Does he deserve blame for losses, of course he does. Should we get rid of him or relegate him to the bullpen, NO! not yet. He has kept our team in the game, and as for yesterday kensing let 2 inherited runners score in addition to the three runs he allowed. Criticze Al's performances if u must, but reasonably. I give AL till the allstar break to turn it around, of he doesnt then you worry. But so far he has kept us in 6 of 9 games he's pitched in. Not good at all, but not enough to get rid of him. If valdez would be playing like this we'd shrug it off as, oh well its the 5th starter. Reasonably, moving leiter to the 5ht spot and skipping him offdays may be a realistic solution, one i dont agree with but realistic. Has he been worth the money, maybe not, but he has the potential to turn it around. He didnt start off the 97 season well (coming off injury if i remmeber), but then turned it around. Juanky your post is awesome, agree 100%

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