I think he'll be sent down after this game. Badenhop and Ricky will take up the two spots in the rotation.

 

NVM, we still need a fifth starter, ay.

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

So you've missed the numerous times he's dialed it up to the mid 90's, then?

 

I know being "realistic" is your bit, but can you at least be informed, too?

I think he had one at 94 and one at 93. I don't understand the Randy Johnson comparisons.

 

I think that is more the mechanics and that he has a plus fastball and plus slider as his two best pitches. And also, remember Randy Johnson didn't walk less than 100 or have a k/bb better than 2-1 until 29 y/o.

Hes a two time starter this week... I dont see them sending him down yet

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Andrew_Miller/

A big southpaw with mid-90s heat and strong slider. He's polished beyond his years.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Miller...)#Major_leagues

Andrew Miller is widely regarded as the best pitcher in the 2006 draft which was laden with quality pitchers. His pitches include a mid to upper 90s fastball, a late-breaking slider and a change-up. His development should progress nicely in the major leagues after he acquires a better change-up and location to his pitches. Due to his height (6,6") some see him as a future Randy Johnson type pitcher

 

It shouldn't be shocking to people to say he's still frickin' deveolping

 

Look up any scouting report on him and you'll see he can do it, I just honestly think he doesn't trust his stuff

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

he can throw 95-97 ive seen him do it bunch of times. the nats radar gun is Always wrong. But i do think he needs more time in the minors as he really has not impressed me. If we bring up volstad and the same happens it will not be good. I hope Badenhop works out since hes older but damn do i miss anibal and JJ

he can throw 95-97 ive seen him do it bunch of times. the nats radar gun is Always wrong. But i do think he needs more time in the minors as he really has not impressed me. If we bring up volstad and the same happens it will not be good. I hope Badenhop works out since hes older but damn do i miss anibal and JJ

Last week at DS his fastballs were around 90, 91. Was the Dolphin Stadium gun wrong too?

Miller has 2 fastballs. He throws his 2-seam in the upper 80's, and his 4-seam in the low 90's. He can reach 97-98 at times.

 

His problem is he doesn't command his fastball, and his secondary pitches are not very developed.

 

IMO, the Tigers rushed him to the majors last year, and the Marlins aren't doing him any favors by having him get shelled in the majors either. He needs development time to work on his delivery/mechanics - so he can hone his control. That's the first step. After that, he needs to work on developing his secondary pitches, and learn how to pitch. Miller is still very raw at this point.

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Andrew_Miller/

A big southpaw with mid-90s heat and strong slider. He's polished beyond his years.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Miller...)#Major_leagues

Andrew Miller is widely regarded as the best pitcher in the 2006 draft which was laden with quality pitchers. His pitches include a mid to upper 90s fastball, a late-breaking slider and a change-up. His development should progress nicely in the major leagues after he acquires a better change-up and location to his pitches. Due to his height (6,6") some see him as a future Randy Johnson type pitcher

 

It shouldn't be shocking to people to say he's still frickin' deveolping

 

Look up any scouting report on him and you'll see he can do it, I just honestly think he doesn't trust his stuff

 

He can probably do it. But is it really the best idea to have him learn to trust his stuff at this level? Maybe a trip down would help him gain that trust.

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

he can throw 95-97 ive seen him do it bunch of times. the nats radar gun is Always wrong. But i do think he needs more time in the minors as he really has not impressed me. If we bring up volstad and the same happens it will not be good. I hope Badenhop works out since hes older but damn do i miss anibal and JJ

 

Andrew Miller is the next Rick Ankiel, minus the bat. And Cameron Maybin is gonna have a career line similar to Alex Arias but with more strikeouts when it is all over with. Hopefully when Cabrera is inducted into Cooperstown, he says a couple nice things about the Marlins organization so that you people who whine about us never being on Sportscenter can hear it and cream your shorts real good. :thumbup

 

...and you're a joke. :thumbup Maybin is hitting .460 in the minors. Alex Arias, clone. :whistle Nice to see you predicting the futures of a 21 (Maybin) year old, and Miller (22). The scouts seem to think, otherwise. I'll take their word for it.

 

Seriously, you're predicting Tommy John's and all this stuff...what's the point of being a Marlins fan, then (for you)? And then you wonder why people call you pessimistic (oh, and yes, I already know your response will be "I don't care what you think, moron." Right?)

 

It's really funny how you have Reggie Abercrombie on your sig. In case you haven't noticed, he's no longer here.

Maybe he can THROW 95, but he certainly can't PITCH at 95. Hell, he can barely manage to keep his mid-80's junkball from wandering out over the heart of the plate. A major league mound is not the place to learn how to pitch. People pay to watch this stuff, damn it.

 

But people pay to watch Minor League Baseball too, hell, even college ball costs money.

Miller has 2 fastballs. He throws his 2-seam in the upper 80's, and his 4-seam in the low 90's. He can reach 97-98 at times.

 

His problem is he doesn't command his fastball, and his secondary pitches are not very developed.

 

IMO, the Tigers rushed him to the majors last year, and the Marlins aren't doing him any favors by having him get shelled in the majors either. He needs development time to work on his delivery/mechanics - so he can hone his control. That's the first step. After that, he needs to work on developing his secondary pitches, and learn how to pitch. Miller is still very raw at this point.

 

This is not the place for him to hone anything. I don't care if his stupid face isn't shown again in the majors until 2010, nobody should be allowed to suck THAT bad at this level. Again, people pay to watch these games- it is a business, not a sandlot.

 

...and then if he becomes good one day, you'll be all over his jock. And then we wonder, why people call Marlins fans a joke. It's because of fairweather fans like you, preditcing failure for a 22 year old prospect, and calling for a Tommy John at the age of 25. Nice, and real classy.

 

You're right...no one should suck THAT bad at this level. Just remember that when you tell Andrew Miller this, you can also go to Detroit and send the message to Dontrelle Willis, as well, k? :thumbup

Some of you keep talking about what great stuff he has. His mid-high 80's fastball, terrible changeup and pedestrian slider coupled with terrible command have yet to impress me. I know throwing hard isn't everything, but damn.

 

he can throw 95-97 ive seen him do it bunch of times. the nats radar gun is Always wrong. But i do think he needs more time in the minors as he really has not impressed me. If we bring up volstad and the same happens it will not be good. I hope Badenhop works out since hes older but damn do i miss anibal and JJ

 

Andrew Miller is the next Rick Ankiel, minus the bat. And Cameron Maybin is gonna have a career line similar to Alex Arias but with more strikeouts when it is all over with. Hopefully when Cabrera is inducted into Cooperstown, he says a couple nice things about the Marlins organization so that you people who whine about us never being on Sportscenter can hear it and cream your shorts real good. :thumbup

 

...and you're a joke. :thumbup Maybin is hitting .460 in the minors. Alex Arias, clone. :whistle Nice to see you predicting the futures of a 21 (Maybin) year old, and Miller (22). The scouts seem to think, otherwise. I'll take their word for it.

 

Seriously, you're predicting Tommy John's and all this stuff...what's the point of being a Marlins fan, then (for you)? And then you wonder why people call you pessimistic (oh, and yes, I already know your response will be "I don't care what you think, moron." Right?)

 

It's really funny how you have Reggie Abercrombie on your sig. In case you haven't noticed, he's no longer here.

 

You know what's funny? The fact that you take my Maybin/ Alex Arias comparison seruiously. That's about all I have to say to you though, cause I really don't want to waste any more keystrokes on you than are necessary, friend.

 

 

 

hard to tell sarcasm on a message board. :thumbup

Miller has 2 fastballs. He throws his 2-seam in the upper 80's, and his 4-seam in the low 90's. He can reach 97-98 at times.

 

His problem is he doesn't command his fastball, and his secondary pitches are not very developed.

 

IMO, the Tigers rushed him to the majors last year, and the Marlins aren't doing him any favors by having him get shelled in the majors either. He needs development time to work on his delivery/mechanics - so he can hone his control. That's the first step. After that, he needs to work on developing his secondary pitches, and learn how to pitch. Miller is still very raw at this point.

 

This is not the place for him to hone anything. I don't care if his stupid face isn't shown again in the majors until 2010, nobody should be allowed to suck THAT bad at this level. Again, people pay to watch these games- it is a business, not a sandlot.

 

I think you misunderstood my post. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough; I think Miller should be in the minor leagues. I thought so all of last year when he pitched for the Tigers, and he doesn't seem to have improved any since then. You are right. MLB is results-oriented. The minor leagues are where players who still need development time should be playing.

Garbageman....realism is one thing, but you lose any credence with talk of injury predictions.

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As I said in the game thread I think he needs more time in the Minors, but IMO there's no chance he gets sent down after 2 starts. He gets at least 4-5 starts, and we'll see what happens. If an organization sends down there #2 and #3 pitcher by April 15 that shows a serious lack of judgement in the first place. Which it probably was, but it would be an ego thing for Beinfest and Co. to admit it.

Miller has 2 fastballs. He throws his 2-seam in the upper 80's, and his 4-seam in the low 90's. He can reach 97-98 at times.

 

His problem is he doesn't command his fastball, and his secondary pitches are not very developed.

 

IMO, the Tigers rushed him to the majors last year, and the Marlins aren't doing him any favors by having him get shelled in the majors either. He needs development time to work on his delivery/mechanics - so he can hone his control. That's the first step. After that, he needs to work on developing his secondary pitches, and learn how to pitch. Miller is still very raw at this point.

 

This is not the place for him to hone anything. I don't care if his stupid face isn't shown again in the majors until 2010, nobody should be allowed to suck THAT bad at this level. Again, people pay to watch these games- it is a business, not a sandlot.

 

...and then if he becomes good one day, you'll be all over his jock. And then we wonder, why people call Marlins fans a joke. It's because of fairweather fans like you, preditcing failure for a 22 year old prospect, and calling for a Tommy John at the age of 25. Nice, and real classy.

 

You're right...no one should suck THAT bad at this level. Just remember that when you tell Andrew Miller this, you can also go to Detroit and send the message to Dontrelle Willis, as well, k? :thumbup

 

All over his jock? Listen little guy, I have never seen someone so blindly in love with other men than you are. Why don't you just ignore what I write since it gets your panties so bunched up every time I say something that ruins your euphoric view of Marlin Land?

 

 

 

Way to change the conversation. It's better off I just leave. I mean, what's the point? Having a conversation with garbage is just...well, garbage. [just like you]. :thumbup

Garbageman....realism is one thing, but you lose any credence with talk of injury predictions.

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As I said in the game thread I think he needs more time in the Minors, but IMO there's no chance he gets sent down after 2 starts. He gets at least 4-5 starts, and we'll see what happens. If an organization sends down there #2 and #3 pitcher by April 15 that shows a serious lack of judgement in the first place. Which it probably was, but it would be an ego thing for Beinfest and Co. to admit it.

 

Oh, but I can predict injuries. With great accuracy. If you want to know what kind of surgury ANY player will ever have, I can tell you. I can tell you almost anything. Seriously. I KNOW.

 

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. Seriously, speaking like a man. Why do you say that? My brother said about Miller "he has great stuff, but his mechanics are all screwed up." And he does tend to throw from his side. Is that why you predict an injury? (seriously speaking)

garbageman u r pretty funny........i'm a fan

I think it's so funny how Garbageman has really grown into his voice in the past few days. He started out with a few "hey, man, I don't think we're gonna be too good" posts and now he's all "EVERY ONE ON THIS TEAM IS GOING TO DIE IN A PLANE CRASH." It's been interesting to watch. And now he's on ignore. The dream is over.

I just DO NOT want to see him again in Major like today's performance.

Like I said in game thread, Miller looked predictable throwing right over the plate, especially on 2 strike counts... I kept waiting to see him throw a change-up or breaking ball or something when he had a chance to finish off hitters and just didnt see it much... He definitely needs work in the minors on mixing up his pitches and changing locations to keep hitters guessing

problem is, if we send down miller, who becomes our no5 starter?

 

aint much point in promoting volstad for miller cos he may have the same problems

 

give miller 1 more start and maybe he figures things out

problem is, if we send down miller, who becomes our no5 starter?

 

aint much point in promoting volstad for miller cos he may have the same problems

 

give miller 1 more start and maybe he figures things out

 

Isn't that why we signed players like Waechter? So we have some guys with big league experience until we know these guys are ready. I don't think you can determine if a AA pitcher is ready from a few innings in Spring Training when the good hitters are working on mechanics or going the other way, not caring about getting hits or their average.

problem is, if we send down miller, who becomes our no5 starter?

 

aint much point in promoting volstad for miller cos he may have the same problems

 

give miller 1 more start and maybe he figures things out

 

Volstad doesn't have Miller's insane control issues and furthermore pitched well enough in ST to show that he could deliver a lot of quality starts, which entirely elude Miller.

Even Miller himself agrees with Garbagemen that he should be sent down :thumbup

 

He has done little to prove that he is ready to pitch above Double A. His 13 starts for Detroit last summer -- 39 walks and a 5.63 ERA in 64 innings -- were unimpressive. His delivery, even he would admit, is a major work in progress. Yet the moment he got the call that he had been acquired by the Marlins in the eight-player trade that sent All-Star third baseman Miguel Cabrera and lefthanded ace Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers, 22-year-old Andrew Miller knew he had just become a key part of a major league rotation.

 

"I don't know that I deserve it," says the baby-faced lefthander, "but the reality is, [with Florida] you get chances you wouldn't normally."

http://mlbclubhouse.proboards80.com/v45ind...3954&page=1

Even Miller himself agrees with Garbagemen that he should be sent down :thumbup

 

He has done little to prove that he is ready to pitch above Double A. His 13 starts for Detroit last summer -- 39 walks and a 5.63 ERA in 64 innings -- were unimpressive. His delivery, even he would admit, is a major work in progress. Yet the moment he got the call that he had been acquired by the Marlins in the eight-player trade that sent All-Star third baseman Miguel Cabrera and lefthanded ace Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers, 22-year-old Andrew Miller knew he had just become a key part of a major league rotation.

 

"I don't know that I deserve it," says the baby-faced lefthander, "but the reality is, [with Florida] you get chances you wouldn't normally."

http://mlbclubhouse.proboards80.com/v45ind...3954&page=1

He actually said that to the media? Gonzo better slap him in the face and tell him there is no crying in baseball.