July 10, 200915 yr Hermida will probably make 3.5 million next year. Affordable,IMO. hahahahahaha.....The Hermida lovers just keep at it. Don't worry....in 2 years we will be having the same conversation about your boy Andrew Miller. Ridiculous. I'll bet you any amount of money that we WON'T be having the same conversation about Miller in two years. People just need to learn to have a little bit of patience with him.
July 10, 200915 yr Hermida is currently not playing up to, nevermind exceeding, his contract. Next season he'll receive at least a million more, maybe two solely based on service time. Hermida will probably make 3.5 million next year. Affordable,IMO. For perspective, Mark Teahen had a .874 OPS in about 450 PA in 2006 in his second year of baseball, followed it up with a .763 OPS in 544 PA in 2007. In 2008, his first year or arbitration, he made $2.3 million and then hit a disappointing .715 OPS in 572 PA. In 2009, his second year of arbitration, he settled for $3.5 million (asked for $3.8). Hermida in year two, had an .870 OPS in around 475 PA. In 2008, Hermida had a .729 OPS in around 550 PA. In 2009, his first year of arbitration, he made $2.25 million. Currently this year, he has a .744 OPS. So basically, the only other thing to take into account is Teahen's versatility, which is probably 'worth' a little bit. But nothing crazy as he's played a lot of outfield in his career too. So considering Teahen made $3.5 million in year 5 coming off a .715 OPS year, that's a good measuring stick for Hermida. Your comment of $3.5 million represents the lowest possible price we can get him at. He's probably getting that right now with his .744 OPS and mostly regular playing time. Just guesstimating real quick, if he ends the year around .775 he probably gets to $3.75 million, .800 up to $4 million, and so on up the pay scale. That sounds pretty reasonable to me without hammering the research. So I would side with 03 here, as I suspect Hermida will hit a bit better in the second half. The question is, is his performance (mid-high .700 OPS, slightly below average defense, and whatever 'potential' you see for breakout) worth $3.75-$4 million next year?
July 10, 200915 yr The question is, is his performance (mid-high .700 OPS, slightly below average defense, and whatever 'potential' you see for breakout) worth $3.75-$4 million next year? No way. I mean...you would have to think that we could get someone for 4mil that would actually provide a consistent bat against RHP and LHP. As good as he is against righties, he is just so bad against lefties. His OPS vs. LHP this year is .569 and he's hitting .183 vs. LHP. We shouldn't pay anyone $4mil just to be a solid platoon player. I don't understand how his value could go up after this year, unless it's simply because he has one more year experience under his belt. Can someone explain that to me? Thanks.
July 10, 200915 yr The question is, is his performance (mid-high .700 OPS, slightly below average defense, and whatever 'potential' you see for breakout) worth $3.75-$4 million next year? No way. I mean...you would have to think that we could get someone for 4mil that would actually provide a consistent bat against RHP and LHP. As good as he is against righties, he is just so bad against lefties. His OPS vs. LHP this year is .569 and he's hitting .183 vs. LHP. We shouldn't pay anyone $4mil just to be a solid platoon player. I don't understand how his value could go up after this year, unless it's simply because he has one more year experience under his belt. Can someone explain that to me? Thanks. Bolded is the answer to your question. Secondly, free agency really isn't an option for a 1 year contract. Outfielders Bobby Abreu LAA To expensive Garret Anderson ATL Sucks Rick Ankiel STL Will command a multi-year deal Rocco Baldelli BOS maybe, but will probably get multi-year Jason Bay BOS Way to expensive Marlon Byrd TEX maybe, but will probably get multi-year Mike Cameron MIL old, but maybe Frank Catalanotto TEX Old Endy Chavez SEA Sucks Coco Crisp * KC Sucks Carl Crawford * TB Way to expensive Johnny Damon NYY Way to expensive David Dellucci TOR Sucks Jermaine Dye * CWS Way to expensive Darin Erstad HOU Sucks Cliff Floyd SD Sucks Ryan Freel BAL Sucks Brian Giles SD Would be interesting, but sucks Ken Griffey Jr. SEA Needs to stay in AL to DH Vladimir Guerrero LAA Way to expensive Matt Holliday OAK Way to expensive Geoff Jenkins * PHI Old Reed Johnson CHC Sucks Andruw Jones TEX Will command a multi-year deal Austin Kearns * WAS Maybe Hideki Matusi NYY Will command a multi-year deal Jason Michaels CLE Sucks Xavier Nady NYY Coming off injury, Will command a multi-year deal Magglio Ordonez * DET Sucks Manny Ramirez * LAD Way to expensive Dave Roberts SF Sucks Gary Sheffield DET Old Randy Winn SF Maybe Not a lot out there that fits out pay-range wise. What I see happening is, the Marlins sign one of Cody/Hermida for $3.75-4.25 million, promote Maybin, and have a platoon at the other OF spot of whoever performs best of Carroll, Raynor, J. Miller, and some sort of veteran 1B/OF type, like a Ross Gload. Then pencilled in for the summer is Logan Morrison. But that's a ways off.
July 10, 200915 yr The question is, is his performance (mid-high .700 OPS, slightly below average defense, and whatever 'potential' you see for breakout) worth $3.75-$4 million next year? No way. I mean...you would have to think that we could get someone for 4mil that would actually provide a consistent bat against RHP and LHP. As good as he is against righties, he is just so bad against lefties. His OPS vs. LHP this year is .569 and he's hitting .183 vs. LHP. We shouldn't pay anyone $4mil just to be a solid platoon player. I don't understand how his value could go up after this year, unless it's simply because he has one more year experience under his belt. Can someone explain that to me? Thanks. Bolded is the answer to your question. Secondly, free agency really isn't an option for a 1 year contract. What I see happening is, the Marlins sign one of Cody/Hermida for $3.75-4.25 million, promote Maybin, and have a platoon at the other OF spot of whoever performs best of Carroll, Raynor, J. Miller, and some sort of veteran 1B/OF type, like a Ross Gload. Then pencilled in for the summer is Logan Morrison. But that's a ways off. Right...well personally I don't think it makes any sense to pay Hermida that much next year, just because he has played another year. I didn't mean to elude to a point that we should consider signing an OF through free agency. As with your list, the current (after 2009) crop of free agent outfielders doesn't look too promising with our current condition. What I meant, was a trade. I'll do some research, but I think we can do better than Hermida for $4mil a year. People are calling for Anibal's head and he would only be making a little more than a mil next year with no guaranteed spot in the rotation. Granted, I see a difference between Anibal's worth and Hermida's worth currently, but what I'm eluding to is that 4million is just way too much.
July 10, 200915 yr 4 Million is definitely too much for Hermida. He isn't going to be with us next year, and that's for sure. There are people waiting to replace him that could, at the very least, be as good as him and definitely more useful than him in our lineup (Maybin.)
July 10, 200915 yr 4 Million is definitely too much for Hermida. He isn't going to be with us next year, and that's for sure. There are people waiting to replace him that could, at the very least, be as good as him and definitely more useful than him in our lineup (Maybin.) No it isn't. We have a few replacements for him next season yes, but it's not 100% that he'll be gone next season. What if he has another great 2nd half? Then what, everyone will want him to stay and the second he doesn't do great he's a bust and a waste of money. We're gonna have to wait til either the trade deadline or the end of the season to see if anyone will be gone or not.
July 10, 200915 yr Author What if he has another great 2nd half? Then what, everyone will want him to stay and the second he doesn't do great he's a bust and a waste of money. Let's hope he does. This lineup needs another consistently productive bat in the lineup and it might as well be Hermida as anyone else.
July 10, 200915 yr 4 Million is definitely too much for Hermida. He isn't going to be with us next year, and that's for sure. There are people waiting to replace him that could, at the very least, be as good as him and definitely more useful than him in our lineup (Maybin.) No it isn't. We have a few replacements for him next season yes, but it's not 100% that he'll be gone next season. What if he has another great 2nd half? Then what, everyone will want him to stay and the second he doesn't do great he's a bust and a waste of money. We're gonna have to wait til either the trade deadline or the end of the season to see if anyone will be gone or not. If he somehow doesnt get traded then he will have to have 1 hell of a 2nd half to be in a marlins uni next year. you never know what could happen the a month ago bonifacio was 1 of the least favorite marlins in the history of the franchise. now hes been actually fun to watch
July 10, 200915 yr I would love to see Hermida do well from now until July 31st, his trade value needs to go up.
July 10, 200915 yr I would love to see Hermida do well from now until July 31st, his trade value needs to go up. There's really not that many good 3rd baseman or really anyone to trade for that could help us. Derosa was a great option until St. Louis got him. I think our best option right now would be Gaby/Bonifacio Platoon at 3rd but it would be an odd one since Gaby would face RHP and Boni vs LHP. Then keep the Hermida/BC Platoon which has been working. I'm pretty excited to see what happens between now and the trade deadline because anything can really happen.
July 10, 200915 yr Greg Cote of the Herald thinks the Marlins should go after a closer. He makes a few references to the past and how a closer has helped the team out, which is fine. He would rather the fish pick up a closer than a bat and he threw out a few names. Names that we've all been discussing (Sherrill, Bell, Aardsma, Cordero, etc). He says Hermida and Uggla are both trade bate and he says the team could deal Cody, too. I find it very unlikely that the team will trade Cody. I mean what reason do we have to deal him, other than an increase in value over Hermida? Doesn't make sense. At the end of the article, he says that the Marlins lineup is "good enough." Sorry, I disagree strongly there. We've already added 2 arms to the bullpen, albeit they are question marks. But, I really think offense is what we need to improve right now. Our bullpen is healthy and I really don't have much of a problem with Nunez in the closer role or just doing a closer by committee. 3 weeks til the deadline, at least we'll find out soon. Link
July 10, 200915 yr For now, all the franchise should ask for is to dump his 10M due in the next 2 years and hopefully get a couple of medium prospects back, perhaps one MLB ready by September if needed. I'd rather have Beinfest with 10M available over Hermida. I wish him well wherever he goes. Lol "medium prospects?" Are you kidding me?
July 10, 200915 yr I would not be ok with trading Cody Ross. Me neither. If we trade offense, Hermida has got to go...possibly Uggla, but I think he goes in the offseason.
July 10, 200915 yr For now, all the franchise should ask for is to dump his 10M due in the next 2 years and hopefully get a couple of medium prospects back, perhaps one MLB ready by September if needed. I'd rather have Beinfest with 10M available over Hermida. I wish him well wherever he goes. Lol "medium prospects?" Are you kidding me? Realistically right now we likely wouldn't get much at all for Hermida. Only two out of 30 clubs showed interest and both weren't offering much, probably a couple of medium prospects (c+ to b-) Combined with Uggla very likely not having anywhere near our perceived value (said that he did not have much value at all this offseason because of how bad he was after the ASB, and he has basically the same line this season), and a few other nuisances (like Cantu's power outage, Amezaga being done, likely needing to keep Cody, ect), I'm definitely begining to wonder if we'll be able to restock our farm like we thought we would be able to.
July 10, 200915 yr Hermida will probably make 3.5 million next year. Affordable,IMO. hahahahahaha.....The Hermida lovers just keep at it. Don't worry....in 2 years we will be having the same conversation about your boy Andrew Miller. Please, for the love of god, shut up.
July 10, 200915 yr Hermida will probably make 3.5 million next year. Affordable,IMO. hahahahahaha.....The Hermida lovers just keep at it. Don't worry....in 2 years we will be having the same conversation about your boy Andrew Miller. Please, for the love of god, shut up. Seriously! How do people call themselves fans? So Miller had one bad start after pitching very well since his return to the rotation. It's unbelievable. To compare Miller and Hermida is ridiculous anyway. While Hermida may have "potential," Miller is going to be good. There is no doubt about it. Get real. Unlike many people in our organization, the most games Miller pitched in the minors in one year was 13. Be patient for God's sake.
July 11, 200915 yr Hermida is so worthless in the outfield....defensively he's horrible! Please someone bring up the jokes who said he's better than Nate McLouth again. hahahahaha
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.