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Owner Jeffrey Loria calls #Marlins play this spring "uninspiring. We need to b playing as a team n we need to hit

 

#Marlins owner Jeffry Loria. I'm not happy. Very few guys focusing on what they're here for I know it's Spng train but time 2 look in mirrr

 

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I agree. this is starting to become pathetic. they are showing nothing and the pitching has been horrible.

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Owner Jeffrey Loria calls #Marlins play this spring "uninspiring. We need to b playing as a team n we need to hit

 

#Marlins owner Jeffry Loria. I'm not happy. Very few guys focusing on what they're here for I know it's Spng train but time 2 look in mirrr

 

From Capozzi

 

I agree. this is starting to become pathetic. they are showing nothing and the pitcing has been horrible.

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Owner Jeffrey Loria calls #Marlins play this spring "uninspiring. We need to b playing as a team n we need to hit

 

#Marlins owner Jeffry Loria. I'm not happy. Very few guys focusing on what they're here for I know it's Spng train but time 2 look in mirrr

 

From Capozzi

 

I agree. this is starting to become pathetic. they are showing nothing and the pitcing has been horrible.

 

 

This is a joke. First of all, been a lurker since 2003 and fan since 93. Lorias comments are a reflection on himself, and only has himself to blame. Lets start with the glue that held this lineup together since 2006. He is now in a division rivals uniform, of all places. 30 plus homeruns, 90 rbi given away for what? Oh, I know: freeing up money for John Buck and his career .243 average, and a "journeyman" in Javier Vasquez? And lets not forget their 1 million giveaway washed up third baseman for "veteran presence"? I happen to agree with Mr. Beinfests theory in you win ballgames with pitching and defense. Does anyone care to look how it has improved? (See the box scores: of the past 18 games). It is only Spring Training, I realize that. However, I do have a problem with the bargain basement person who is supposed to be motivating his team. His comments about not being at all concerned, makes me sick: (See: Bobby Valentine). Look at the "face of the franchise" for example. He is going to be a leader? See: who "leads"the team in errors

". I am really appauled at the way this team conducts its business. As much as I wanted to see this team in a new baseball only stadium, once again Mr. Loria has shown he will shed payroll (locking up Uggla) to turn a higher profit. As sad as it is to say, maybe Norman Braman was not as wrong as we all thought See: todays Miami Heralds headlines. Sad.....very sad for the loyal fans this team has left.

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Owner Jeffrey Loria calls #Marlins play this spring "uninspiring. We need to b playing as a team n we need to hit

 

#Marlins owner Jeffry Loria. I'm not happy. Very few guys focusing on what they're here for I know it's Spng train but time 2 look in mirrr

 

From Capozzi

 

I agree. this is starting to become pathetic. they are showing nothing and the pitcing has been horrible.

 

I happen to agree with Mr. Beinfests theory in you win ballgames with pitching and defense. Does anyone care to look how it has improved?

 

Uggla's gone, isn't he?

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Loria shed payroll by adding $10 million total to payroll? He's a worse businessman than we thought!

 

 

Look how he spent the 10 million. Also see the 10 million or so saved on the Uggla trade.Z(see: 30 plus home runs and 90 plus rbis) Javier Vasquz , John Buck & Randy Choate.I call that real "GOOD BUSINESS".

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I don't want to say you should go back to lurking... but... well, nevermind that.

IT'S SPRING f***ING TRAINING.

+if you have any optimism towards this team (and I'd imagine you would as you have been a fan for 18 years) you'd probably have taken the fangraphs article explaining how Dan Uggla's going to age like a tooth in a glass of Coca-Cola.

 

oh. and all recent news is indicating that Vazquez pitching like he was 2 seasons ago. y'know, when he pitched for the Braves and had a 2.87 ERA.

what a waste of money :sleeping

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Loria shed payroll by adding $10 million total to payroll? He's a worse businessman than we thought!

 

 

Look how he spent the 10 million. Also see the 10 million or so saved on the Uggla trade.Z(see: 30 plus home runs and 90 plus rbis) Javier Vasquz , John Buck & Randy Choate.I call that real "GOOD BUSINESS".

 

We had a massive hole at catcher and needed a starting pitcher and lefty specialist. We filled those holes. He also gave Nolasco a long term contract and kept all other arbitration pieces they wanted. Yes, there might be a hole at 2B now, but they are betting that improved defense at 2B and 3B can make up for it overall. Its about overall production.

 

So youre complaining about personell moves? Because personell isn't Loria, that's Beinfest.

 

Or are you complaining about him not raising payroll by enough? Because he raised payroll from last year, definitely.

 

 

Also, super lolz at bitching about defense and saying you need to build around defense and pitching and then complaining about adding a SP and upgrading 2 infield positions by getting rid of Uggla. You lose.

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The Marlins offered Uggs a 4 year, $48 million deal... That is a damn good offer for a player who almost surely has jumped the shark. Whatever pluses we lost with him, we almost certainly make up for with better defense and a much better bullpen, which needed to be and was the focus the offseason.

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Owner Jeffrey Loria calls #Marlins play this spring "uninspiring. We need to b playing as a team n we need to hit

 

#Marlins owner Jeffry Loria. I'm not happy. Very few guys focusing on what they're here for I know it's Spng train but time 2 look in mirrr

 

From Capozzi

 

I agree. this is starting to become pathetic. they are showing nothing and the pitcing has been horrible.

 

 

This is a joke. First of all, been a lurker since 2003 and fan since 93. Lorias comments are a reflection on himself, and only has himself to blame. Lets start with the glue that held this lineup together since 2006. He is now in a division rivals uniform, of all places. 30 plus homeruns, 90 rbi given away for what? Oh, I know: freeing up money for John Buck and his career .243 average, and a "journeyman" in Javier Vasquez? And lets not forget their 1 million giveaway washed up third baseman for "veteran presence"? I happen to agree with Mr. Beinfests theory in you win ballgames with pitching and defense. Does anyone care to look how it has improved? (See the box scores: of the past 18 games). It is only Spring Training, I realize that. However, I do have a problem with the bargain basement person who is supposed to be motivating his team. His comments about not being at all concerned, makes me sick: (See: Bobby Valentine). Look at the "face of the franchise" for example. He is going to be a leader? See: who "leads"the team in errors

". I am really appauled at the way this team conducts its business. As much as I wanted to see this team in a new baseball only stadium, once again Mr. Loria has shown he will shed payroll (locking up Uggla) to turn a higher profit. As sad as it is to say, maybe Norman Braman was not as wrong as we all thought See: todays Miami Heralds headlines. Sad.....very sad for the loyal fans this team has left.

I appreciate your intensity, but it is the middle of march, and, a bit to critical.

 

Infield defense is going to be phenomenally better with Dominguez and Infante versus Cantu/death platoon and Uggla out there. Likewise, Buck is very highly regarded as a game caller and whatever intangible leadership bulls*** the pitching coach wants to make up. I think there are enormous gains here even if Hanley continues to play neutral defense. I can't criticize this.

 

As for Uggla's offense,

 

Marlins Catchers 637 PA, .226/.289/.338 (.628), 9 bombs, 137 K

Marlins 3B 665 PA, .264/.323/.402 (.725), 12 bombs, 144 K

Marlins 2B 688 PA .286/.368/.502 (.870), 33 bombs, 155 K

 

Total= 1990 PA, .259/.328/.415 (.743), 54 HR, 436 K

 

So let's think about this.

 

Buck's last 600 PA, approx .790 OPS. I'll give you 50 OPS points here and let's just move this to .743. He'll hit 15.

Baker (who I suspect gets most backup duty come May), terrible last year, lifetime .763 OPS, and going to ignore splitting much higher versus right handers. I'll give you a .743 OPS for Baker's backup ABs. He'll hit 5.

Infante's last 1000+ PA, approx .755 OPS. Let's just leave it. He'll hit 10.

Bonifacio, cause he will play a little bit, let's just give him last years .650 OPS. Work with me and let's just say all the points I've given you with the catchers and a few from Infante, average these guys to .743. He won't hit any.

Matt Dominguez ??????????? But he'll hit a dozen.

 

So if we're ignoring Dominguez here, the other 4 of them in a worst case scenario are matching that .743 OPS and conservatively, low 40s in HR.. Is Dominguez going to match that to offensively make an instant offense push? Probably not, I can see him .650-.675 range over a ton of AB. So is offense going down a little bit? Yes. Is defense going up probably at least 10-15 runs at 3B and 5-10 at 2B? Yea. Are 10 runs worth 40 OPS points at a premo defensive position? Yea. The home runs are fun with instant offense, but they are still hitting a good amount, and it's not like we are "losing 30." This is a push on 2010 levels, and completely ignoring full healthy seasons of Logan, Stanton, and Coghlan, improvement for Hanley who had his worst season, and any improvement Gaby might have. We're going to be ok. This game is a law of averages. 10 spring training games aren't over coming seasons and seasons of positive performances.

 

As for Javy Vazquez, who is nowhere near a journeyman, the Marlins let Nate Robertson, Andrew Miller, Alberto Mendez, and Jorge Sosa start 26 games last year. This was about 150-160 innings of 6.5 era baseball. I think the Marlins are going to profit great when Vazquez throws more innings than this, and the first digit is a 4, in 2011. This is a massive upgrade and cannot be understated, and worth more than Dan Uggla. I would be not so fast to dismiss this. He will be much better than New York.

 

So, welcome, kick back some $9 Coors light at the stadium, and relax. It's going to be ok. As long as all the injuries don't turn into major ones. But what team can't say that.

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Loria shed payroll by adding $10 million total to payroll? He's a worse businessman than we thought!

 

 

Look how he spent the 10 million. Also see the 10 million or so saved on the Uggla trade.Z(see: 30 plus home runs and 90 plus rbis) Javier Vasquz , John Buck & Randy Choate.I call that real "GOOD BUSINESS".

 

Shame on Loria for not going after a defensively challenged catcher in Martinez, Cliff Lee, and whoever the hell is the best LOOGY in the majors for just 10 mil.

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I like that today, where-unlike the past week-we had a very good game by our starter and just lost because one person in our bullpen stumbled a bit in a situation where he probably wouldn't have stayed in, is the LAST STRAW! Sure, there's that "not covering home" thing, but that's a Spring Training mistake. Sure, I'm as worried as anyone else seeing some of our other starters get squashed and undermined by little mistakes before they can even get going and have to say "It's just Spring Training," but I think here with the recent cuts, we're starting to get closer to the team we're going to have, and it was a very competitive game against a seemingly good Tampa Bay for the time when the starters were out (And that's while we're missing the Chuck Norris of the MLB on top of everything). How THIS game is the one where people are MAD AS HELL AND THEY CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE is beyond me.

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Bonifacio, cause he will play a little bit, let's just give him last years .650 OPS. Work with me and let's just say all the points I've given you with the catchers and a few from Infante, average these guys to .743. He won't hit any.

 

Aw, c'mon, our human tornado might hit one inside-the-parker.

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