gizmo Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 The Marlins are considering making a serious run at Rays right-hander James Shields, writesBuster Olney of ESPN.com. The two sides have some natural match-up on a trade because the Marlins could dangle Logan Morrison as part of a package for the right-hander. Shields drew interest from a number of clubs at the deadline including the Tigers and Reds but the Rays opted to hang on to him instead. Rays executive VP of baseball operations Andrew Friedman says that he would like to maintain the team's pitching depth, but Shields would be a huge trading chip this winter. Meanwhile, Olney writes that in spite of the speculation about Carlos Zambrano reuniting with Ozzie Guillen in Florida, there isn't a lot of momentum behind this within the Marlins organization. The club's opposition to the move has more to do with about how Zambrano's stuff has regressed than his personality history. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/marlins-considering-james-shields-zambrano-unlikely.html What do you guys think? After this season, I think it might take more than just LoMo to nab Shields. Are you guys willing to part with Morrison+ to get a guy like Shields behind JJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 The Marlins are considering making a serious run at Rays right-hander James Shields, writesBuster Olney of ESPN.com. The two sides have some natural match-up on a trade because the Marlins could dangle Logan Morrison as part of a package for the right-hander. Shields drew interest from a number of clubs at the deadline including the Tigers and Reds but the Rays opted to hang on to him instead. Rays executive VP of baseball operations Andrew Friedman says that he would like to maintain the team's pitching depth, but Shields would be a huge trading chip this winter. Meanwhile, Olney writes that in spite of the speculation about Carlos Zambrano reuniting with Ozzie Guillen in Florida, there isn't a lot of momentum behind this within the Marlins organization. The club's opposition to the move has more to do with about how Zambrano's stuff has regressed than his personality history. http://www.mlbtrader...o-unlikely.html What do you guys think? After this season, I think it might take more than just LoMo to nab Shields. Are you guys willing to part with Morrison+ to get a guy like Shields behind JJ? This just reminds me of that thread in June or so when that Rays fan on here was insisting that Shields was better than JJ... I'm sure he'll be happy if this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Mamma like... EDIT: Not actually sure if Mamma like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted October 23, 2011 Author Share Posted October 23, 2011 Mamma like... EDIT: Not actually sure if Mamma like... What's wrong Mamma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Mamma like... EDIT: Not actually sure if Mamma like... What's wrong Mamma? I found what I was looking for, but only in Spanish. I'm sure you get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 If we do that, I still want then to go after a Buehrle or Wilson. Losing LoMo's bat means we need to really have a dominant rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Plus we'd be losing a ton of youth in a move like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Heck yeah go for it, I but I don't know if you could get it done without giving up some of our young good prospects, considering we don't have many. If we can do it for the right price, I'm all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 maybe for dominguez but not morrisson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1az3 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I would not be oppese to a deal but I wouldn't be too static about it if it happens. Shields is Nolasco with one great year. Do you think Shields can duplicate or even come close to 2011 year again? If your answer is no then I wouldn't like another Ricky Nolasco on the team in exchange for Lomo and another top prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Nolasco is Shields? Nolasco has put together one good season in the NL. Shields has held his own in the AL East his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Err... he had a stretch of two ugly seasons the past two years in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'm not Shields' biggest fan, but he's certainly better than Nolasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Err... he had a stretch of two ugly seasons the past two years in between. One ugly season. His '09 numbers are still better than an average Ricky year when you factor in who they pitch against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Err... he had a stretch of two ugly seasons the past two years in between. One ugly season. His '09 numbers are still better than an average Ricky year when you factor in who they pitch against. Ricky does not set a standard for MLB pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I would not be oppese to a deal but I wouldn't be too static about it if it happens. Shields is Nolasco with one great year. Do you think Shields can duplicate or even come close to 2011 year again? If your answer is no then I wouldn't like another Ricky Nolasco on the team in exchange for Lomo and another top prospect. yeah nolasco only had one good year. shields has had over 200 innings pitched for 5 straight years and a career 1.23 whip. he also has very good strikeout and walk numbers with his only bad season being 2010 while 2009 was still very serviceable. 2007: 3.85 era, 2008: 3.56 era, 2009: 4.14 era, 2011: 2.82 era in the AL East. nolasco doesnt come close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'm not a fan of buying high on Shields when his pre-2011 seasons were less than stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2r09 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 id rather give up a combo of gaby and nolasco than lomo. then sign one of the big 1b free agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Moving LoMo is not a great idea, even for someone like Shields. Not only is he going to develop into a very good offensive weapon, you're basically taking away the only left-handed bat that means anything in our lineup (and the only decent left-handed hitter we've had since Cliff Floyd). This team needs more pitching, sure, but as someone mentioned your ideal chip has got to be Gaby Sanchez. Sell high on this guy coming off an All-Star season, because he is very replacable at 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Even though Gaby was an all star, he didn't really have an all star season. Still, sell some team on him being an "all star" last season, get some good value (aka a major league ready center fielder, 3rd baseman, or starting pitcher) for Gaby. I've been saying that Gaby was going to be traded within the next two years since LoMo got called up. I think this offseason is the time to maximize his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Even though Gaby was an all star, he didn't really have an all star season. Still, sell some team on him being an "all star" last season, get some good value (aka a major league ready center fielder, 3rd baseman, or starting pitcher) for Gaby. I've been saying that Gaby was going to be traded within the next two years since LoMo got called up. I think this offseason is the time to maximize his value. yeah me too. i think gaby definitely should be traded and we need a power first basemen. i dont think we have a real shot at pujols but im sure they will take a look. i would love fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Shields had a good year this year, but I don't feel that good about him. The last two times he's been to the playoffs he has been shelled, he threw so many innings this year that I'd be worried about him hitting a wall, & his year last year would make Chris Volstad look good. I think he's a pretty good pitcher, but he's not worth selling the farm for, especially when we have almost no farm to sell. It would be more worthwhile for this team to spend more money on a better pitcher in free agency than lose the players it would require to pull in a guy like Shields. The only way that would make sense is if we were going to replace those players traded with quality free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StantonisKing Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Shields is coming off his first great season and is going to be 30. LoMo is crazy but he's also young with a ton of upside. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I mean, if we sign Pujols or Fielder, then absolutely do it. Morrison is almost assuredly never going to be a great player as a LFer. If not, however, keep in mind that we're not going to fleece anyone, either. Andrew Friedman is no slouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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