The ESPN poll is interesting: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7795181/ozzie-guillen-penalty

 

By the results it seems most fans think its right suspension or too harsh. That includes Florida. Leads me to believe the media has made this bigger than it is.

aren't real ... made up ... fudging history.

 

The only one around here fudging anything is you.

 

Funny how you don't respond to the point even given a 50% cut in the numbers. How about we agree that Fidel only killed a few hundred and Mao a few thousand?

 

Leftists like you defend leftists like Castro, etc. as a reflex. As you have amply demonstrated.

 

Ad hominem again. Nice way to argue.

You obviously don't have the slightest idea of what an ad hominem argument actually is. You seem to think it's anything with which you don't agree.

 

lol. okay boss. Instead of responding to a lion or two's argument you instead took the convenient way out by attacking his person and accused him of being a "leftist" which in your mind, makes what he was saying irrelevant. Whether he is a leftist or not, has nothing to do with him saying it's stupid to compare the attempted and almost successful ethnic cleansing of an entire population versus a typical latin american dictator who came to power violently by overthrowing a previous violent regime, killed a buncha people who were against his regime, and then continued to commit vast amounts of human rights violations to maintain his stranglehold on the country.

Last night my Cuban American friend asked me how I'd feel if Ozzie had made the same comments about Hitler. Definitely not a good comparison. Also, she's a Miami native who is a diehard Cardinals fan. She's a confused girl.

 

 

You just hit on something without realizing it. Most baseball fans in Miami are fans of the Yankees, Mets, or some other baseball team because we are a transplant town. The Marlins need good PR to attract fans from these groups. Comments like Ozzie's do not help in that pursuit.

More than 200 protesters outside the stadium

 

 

 

I wonder how many of these people actually go to the games anyway....

The ESPN poll is interesting: http://espn.go.com/s...guillen-penalty

 

By the results it seems most fans think its right suspension or too harsh. That includes Florida. Leads me to believe the media has made this bigger than it is.

 

Am I the only one amused that Montana and Idaho are the only 2 states where the voters (so far) think the punishment was too lenient?

Wow....I can't believe anyone actually showed up. I was expecting 4 or 5 people at best.

Ozzie is still alive!

Ozzie is still alive!

 

 

Is he really wearing a bullet proof vest?

http://www.miamihera...ro/victims.html

 

:lol

 

Miami Herald? You can't possibly be either that stupid or obtuse. Then again, maybe you can be.

 

How about conservapedia, quoting several academic sources, none of which claim anything over 141,000 killed by the regime?http://www.conservapedia.com/Fidel_Castro#cite_note-43If you don't like conservapedia, follow up with the sources.Go ahead, offer evidence refuting this without saying someone who disagrees with you is a dirty word [leftist].

http://www.miamihera...ro/victims.html

 

:lol

 

Miami Herald? You can't possibly be either that stupid or obtuse. Then again, maybe you can be.

 

How about conservapedia, quoting several academic sources, none of which claim anything over 141,000 killed by the regime?http://www.conservapedia.com/Fidel_Castro#cite_note-43If you don't like conservapedia, follow up with the sources.Go ahead, offer evidence refuting this without saying someone who disagrees with you is a dirty word [leftist].

 

I don't think he actually read what was in the miami herald article which was compiled by cuban exiles/academics. He'd rather just call me names and pretend like he knows what ad hominem means.

The "controversy" is crap, this is what these crap reporters do. They leave out something for them to trip over and make the article focus on it. In context, Ozzie said you have to "love" as in "be impressed by" a man that can stay in charge despite everyone trying to kick his ass out.

 

Did Castro kill 2 million? Probably not, especially if you only count people his regime elected to round up and directly execute. There is some estimation involved when you count persons that died due to the conditions his regime created, or attempting to escape those conditions but I doubt it reached 2 million. What I hate about things like this 2 million figure is that it distracts from how bad the man is. Is 38,000 somehow acceptable? If the truth serves adequately, lying only damages your position.

The "controversy" is crap, this is what these crap . They leave out something for them to trip over and make the article focus on it. In context, Ozzie said you have to "love" as in "be impressed by" a man that can stay in charge despite everyone trying to kick his ass out.

 

Did Castro kill 2 million? Probably not, especially if you only count people his regime elected to round up and directly execute. There is some estimation involved when you count persons that died due to the conditions his regime created, or attempting to escape those conditions but I doubt it reached 2 million. What I hate about things like this 2 million figure is that it distracts from how bad the man is. Is 38,000 somehow acceptable? If the truth serves adequately, lying only damages your position.

 

 

No number is acceptable but there are realities in countries run by dictarorships that undergo violent revolutions for another dictatorship. The man is a dictator and that's a fact and has been for years. This is not atypical for the region.

 

My main issue is the Hitler comparison (especially used by ESPN) which is no where near based in reality and irresponsible and a simple way out to drum up emotion for your cause. Apples and Oranges.

Just make a new god damn thread!

And for the record I think it's ridiculous he got suspended

Not sure why it matters if he's killed 50,000 or 5 million. Essentially he's just a bad person who's ruined lives of many for years and years. The stadium is in Little Havana in the most densely Cuban American population city (by a significant margin) in the country. Like any other business, when you offend your customer base it's bad for business. Arguing over how terrible someone is when compared to someone more terrible is just inane,

No number is acceptable but there are realities in countries run by dictarorships that undergo violent revolutions for another dictatorship. The man is a dictator and that's a fact and has been for other years. This is not atypical for the region.

 

My main issue is the Hitler comparison (especially used by ESPN) which is no where near based in reality. Apples and Oranges.

 

I think he's [LeBatard] just saying that for the cuban community in Miami, this is "their Hitler". I think if you listen to him he certainly doesn't believe it's apples-to-apples, just that when you have the personal experience (or through family, etc) it is their reality. Hitler has become a word like "the devil" at this point anyway. He could have said "for cubans in miami, this is their devil."

Not sure why it matters if he's killed 50,000 or 5 million. Essentially he's just a bad person who's ruined lives of many for years and years. The stadium is in Little Havana in the most densely Cuban American population city (by a significant margin) in the country. Like any other business, when you offend your customer base it's bad for business. Arguing over how terrible someone is when compared to someone more terrible is just inane,

 

 

That's not really why this argument is occurring. If you read the thread it will be more clear. And it becomes important when people are trying to analogize so as to be able to appreciate the enormity (or not, if you prefer) of these comments, since not everyone can be an expert on everything.

No number is acceptable but there are realities in countries run by dictarorships that undergo violent revolutions for another dictatorship. The man is a dictator and that's a fact and has been for other years. This is not atypical for the region.

 

My main issue is the Hitler comparison (especially used by ESPN) which is no where near based in reality. Apples and Oranges.

 

I think LeBatard in this case was only saying that for some of the cuban community in Miami, this is "their Hitler".  I think if you listen to him he certainly doesn't believe it's apples-to-apples, just that when you have the personal experience (or through family or whatever) it is their reality.  Hitler has become a word like "the devil" at this point anyway.  He could have said "for cubans in miami, this is their devil."

 

Yeah, he explicitly disclaims a complete analogy. He's just trying to say that this is the WORST thing (in his opinion) you could say to Cubans, similarly to how he'd expect it to be re: Jews and Hitler.

Wow, now we don't have Ozzie for 5 days over this bulls***

Wow, now we don't have Ozzie for 5 days over this bulls***

 

 

bingo!!!!

If we are going to suspend Ozzie every time he says something stupid, he might manage 40 games this year

Nice comments from Alexei

 

 

 

CLEVELAND — White Sox shortstop Alexei Ramirez ­diplomatically stopped short of taking former managerOzzie Guillen to task for his inflammatory remarks aboutFidel Castro, saying he hopes a forthcoming apology from Guillen is accepted by those he offended.

“I haven’t specifically heard what Ozzie said,’’ Ramirez said Monday through a translator. “But I would just say whatever his thoughts, whatever his comments, those are Ozzie’s comments. That’s more on him.’’

Guillen said he “loves� and respects Cuban dictator Castro. Ramirez left Cuba for the Dominican Republic in 2007. Asked if he found it offensive that anyone in baseball would support Castro, Ramirez said, “Everybody is free to have an opinion. It’s one of those that there are some people who like Castro and some people who don’t. In Miami, it’s definitely of a different thought frame. I think that his opinion is not the same opinion I have.’’

Ramirez said he hopes Guillen’s apology is accepted.

“Apologizing is definitely a big first step,’’ Ramirez said.

I knew I had Alexei on my fantasy team for a reason. It ain't apparently for his offense.

someone tell Joey Cora not to comment on how much he loves Bashar Al-Assad in Syria.

This deserves repeating:

 

Miami Native0722, I was born in Cuba, and you are indeed correct. Those who compare life in the US under any president to life in Cuba, are simply ignorant and oblivious to the reality of what is like to live under a real dictatorship.

 

My family was anti-Communist and involved in several Human Rights organizations. I witnessed first hand what it is to live in fear, and see family members arrested, beaten, imprisoned without trial. When I was 9 years old my mom took me to the park, and while I was sitting next to her, a man came up and showed us a badge. He told her "We know you are with the human rights people. If you want to see your son grow up, you better watch yourself!" Our house was ransacked by state police two days later. They tore the whole place up. In school I was intimidated by my teachers, because the teachers have been told by the authorities that my parents were "traitors to the revolution." You have no idea what that's like for a young child. It was traumatic.

 

I am extremely lucky to be an American citizen and to live in this country. All of you who were born here have no idea how lucky you are.

 

Anyone born here has won the lottery of life, even if they don't know it.

 

AMEN and AMEN.