March 27, 201313 yr ok, 97 Livan reincarnated. Still nope. Livan in '97 (22 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 9 3 3.18 17 17 0 0 96.1 81 39 34 5 38 72 405 1.235 7.6 0.5 3.6 6.7 1.89 Fernandez just this past season [yes I know it was A and A+, but still] (19 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 14 1 1.75 25 25 0 0 134.0 89 28 26 2 35 158 513 0.925 6.0 0.1 2.4 10.6 4.51 And I'll say don't bring up playoff numbers, either - Livan was not good in 97 in the postseason, how he got WS MVP, I'll never know.
March 27, 201313 yr Author I think it's reasonable to say that this will be one of the worst rotations in MLB talent wise. It will just be a question of how much the park and the slightly improved defense will help. I don't expect any of those starters to have an ERA under 4.00.
March 27, 201313 yr Can we please just make every thread about Fernandez? Or better yet, a "Fernandez Watch" thread similar for what we had for Stanton while he was a AA?
March 27, 201313 yr I think it's reasonable to say that this will be one of the worst rotations in MLB talent wise. It will just be a question of how much the park and the slightly improved defense will help. I don't expect any of those starters to have an ERA under 4.00. Yeah, that's the only reason I'm slightly optimistic about it. + Fernandez might be up by mid-season and I'm sure Turner will get some things corrected along the way. Hopefully Eovaldi/Alvarez stuff translate into better #'s, and Nolasco pitches well enough to get us something at the deadline.
March 27, 201313 yr Can we please just make every thread about Fernandez? Or better yet, a "Fernandez Watch" thread similar for what we had for Stanton while he was a AA? Add a separate Yelich watch too
March 28, 201313 yr Turner's better than Eovaldi. At some point Eovaldi is likely to be sent to the pen, possibly a long term long reliever. Turner's got stuff to be a good #3 starter. Right now, that rotation is one of the worst three rotations in baseball (Let's not ignore the fact that our #4 starter to start last season is our opening day starter). Combine that with our bottom five starting lineup (but hey, we got a top 15 defense!!!!), and this season might be more than a bit depressing...or comical. Like somebody in this thread already stated, when our 1-2-3 is Fernandez/Turner/Heaney, which should be in 2014, then it's gonna be interesting to watch. The highlight of our season will be when Jose Fernandez gets called up. That guy is Livan Hernandez reincarnated. a) Eovaldi is not a "long-term long reliever." What does that even mean? There's no such thing. b) That Jose Fernandez/Livan Hernandez comparison is bad. The best part of your post here is how you hate the rotation, yet you talk about Livan Hernandez as though he's not like the guys in our rotation. If Jose Fernandez is the next Livan Hernandez, he's going to be one massive disappointment.Yea, to say Eovaldi isn't a realistic option to start long term is obsurd. His actual stuff is better than Turner's, he has 2 plus pitches with his fastball and slider and an average change that can become a plus pitch with a little time. The only thing that worries me long term is health. He's a max effort pitcher, which scares me if we want 200 innings a year out of him. That's what would lead me to believe he could be a shut down closer in the future, if he were to have health issues... But he would be like, far and away the best long reliever in baseball. That job goes to the scum of MLB lol.
March 28, 201313 yr ok, 97 Livan reincarnated. Still nope. Livan in '97 (22 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 9 3 3.18 17 17 0 0 96.1 81 39 34 5 38 72 405 1.235 7.6 0.5 3.6 6.7 1.89 Fernandez just this past season [yes I know it was A and A+, but still] (19 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 14 1 1.75 25 25 0 0 134.0 89 28 26 2 35 158 513 0.925 6.0 0.1 2.4 10.6 4.51 And I'll say don't bring up playoff numbers, either - Livan was not good in 97 in the postseason, how he got WS MVP, I'll never know. what the fuck? (I would pull up 100 other kids who put up a sub 2 ERA in A ball, but it would be a waste of time.)
March 28, 201313 yr ok, 97 Livan reincarnated. Still nope. Livan in '97 (22 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 9 3 3.18 17 17 0 0 96.1 81 39 34 5 38 72 405 1.235 7.6 0.5 3.6 6.7 1.89 Fernandez just this past season [yes I know it was A and A+, but still] (19 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 14 1 1.75 25 25 0 0 134.0 89 28 26 2 35 158 513 0.925 6.0 0.1 2.4 10.6 4.51 And I'll say don't bring up playoff numbers, either - Livan was not good in 97 in the postseason, how he got WS MVP, I'll never know. what the f***? (I would pull up 100 other kids who put up a sub 2 ERA in A ball, but it would be a waste of time.) But still. Fernandez will be and already is way better than Livan at any point in his career.
March 28, 201313 yr ok, 97 Livan reincarnated. Still nope. Livan in '97 (22 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 9 3 3.18 17 17 0 0 96.1 81 39 34 5 38 72 405 1.235 7.6 0.5 3.6 6.7 1.89 Fernandez just this past season [yes I know it was A and A+, but still] (19 years old): W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 14 1 1.75 25 25 0 0 134.0 89 28 26 2 35 158 513 0.925 6.0 0.1 2.4 10.6 4.51 And I'll say don't bring up playoff numbers, either - Livan was not good in 97 in the postseason, how he got WS MVP, I'll never know. what the f***? (I would pull up 100 other kids who put up a sub 2 ERA in A ball, but it would be a waste of time.) Actually, I think you might have a hard time pulling up folks with similar stats like Jose's for A/A+ ball with his age and his k rate...
March 28, 201313 yr Can we please just make every thread about Fernandez? Or better yet, a "Fernandez Watch" thread similar for what we had for Stanton while he was a AA? Add a separate Yelich watch tooYelich watch. that's fun to say.
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