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The way the Marlins botched the Miguel Cabrera situation is pretty disgusting. He'll be just a handful of home runs shy of two consecutive triple crowns. The Marlins didn't even try to extend him. He's probably the best hitter to wear a Marlins uniform.

 

Remember that it was Dombrowski who signed him in the first place.

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The way the Marlins botched the Miguel Cabrera situation is pretty disgusting. He'll be just a handful of home runs shy of two consecutive triple crowns. The Marlins didn't even try to extend him. He's probably the best hitter to wear a Marlins uniform.

 

Remember that it was Dombrowski who signed him in the first place.

 

 

I don't think he's gonna reach Davis in homers now, Davis is hitting em again and Miggy has been XBH-less for a while now.

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The way the Marlins botched the Miguel Cabrera situation is pretty disgusting. He'll be just a handful of home runs shy of two consecutive triple crowns. The Marlins didn't even try to extend him. He's probably the best hitter to wear a Marlins uniform.

 

Remember that it was Dombrowski who signed him in the first place.

 

 

I don't think he's gonna reach Davis in homers now, Davis is hitting em again and Miggy has been XBH-less for a while now.

 

 

Irrelevant. Point is, we had a player who is one of the best right handed hitters of all time, and we traded him away. Trading away Anibal Sanchez wasn't that bad because of his history, IMO. Trading away Cabrera was just bad from the beginning.

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If we hadn't traded Miggy he would have just hung on until he reached FA, and then we would have gotten zilch for him. He made it very obvious he wasn't going to be staying here long term, the $$$ just wasn't there for him. I don't know why people opt to ignore that.

 

Bad stadium deal and no butts in the seats. The mantra back then......."Money coming in will equal money going out." The money wasn't there and he wanted the big payday.

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Miggy was the only player we traded that was a real travesty as he appeared to be a future Hall of Famer when we traded him.

 

The success of players after they leave the Marlins, not the trade itself, I feel is the most troubling aspect. This organization appears to have a real issue with motivating its players. Hanley Ramirez is the epitome of this, as after great success he dropped off more due to disinterest than a lack of skills. I feel Stanton is in that same rut and Cabrera most likely would have fallen victim to this as well. This is my largest gripe with the Loria era. The small payroll is no excuse for the lack of effort as teams like Oakland and Tampa are able to retool and get huge value out of players.

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Miggy was the only player we traded that was a real travesty as he appeared to be a future Hall of Famer when we traded him.

 

The success of players after they leave the Marlins, not the trade itself, I feel is the most troubling aspect. This organization appears to have a real issue with motivating its players. Hanley Ramirez is the epitome of this, as after great success he dropped off more due to disinterest than a lack of skills. I feel Stanton is in that same rut and Cabrera most likely would have fallen victim to this as well. This is my largest gripe with the Loria era. The small payroll is no excuse for the lack of effort as teams like Oakland and Tampa are able to retool and get huge value out of players.

 

 

I'm dying to disagree with you, but I don't think I can. Sadly.

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Smart teams need to lock people up when the sophomore year demonstrates they are not a fluke. The Rays are run like an investment firm and they get dividends.

 

 

This is my philosophy. Fuck signing free agent players to these seven year contracts when they are already 30 years old. Sure someone like Robinson Cano is a great player now but you don't want to be paying him 20 million/year when he's 36 or 37.

 

You also don't want to rely on the shitty, Placido Polanco types of free agents just because they are cheap and carry little commitment.

 

Baseball finances were better 10 years ago when 4 year contracts were considered the norm for great talent. The only cost effective way to run a team now is to lock up players before they are arbitration eligible. You get young talent as opposed to 36 year olds and have them under control for a pretty reasonable price.

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Smart teams need to lock people up when the sophomore year demonstrates they are not a fluke. The Rays are run like an investment firm and they get dividends.

 

 

This is my philosophy. f*** signing free agent players to these seven year contracts when they are already 30 years old. Sure someone like Robinson Cano is a great player now but you don't want to be paying him 20 million/year when he's 36 or 37.

 

You also don't want to rely on the sh*tty, Placido Polanco types of free agents just because they are cheap and carry little commitment.

 

Baseball finances were better 10 years ago when 4 year contracts were considered the norm for great talent. The only cost effective way to run a team now is to lock up players before they are arbitration eligible. You get young talent as opposed to 36 year olds and have them under control for a pretty reasonable price.

 

 

The problem with signing the long term contracts is when the player underperforms, see Hanley. The Marlins can ill afford to make bad investments, the same is true for free agents. I agree we should lock up some of or younger players and hopefully they can develop and produce ala 1990's Cleveland Indians.

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Smart teams need to lock people up when the sophomore year demonstrates they are not a fluke. The Rays are run like an investment firm and they get dividends.

 

 

This is my philosophy. f*** signing free agent players to these seven year contracts when they are already 30 years old. Sure someone like Robinson Cano is a great player now but you don't want to be paying him 20 million/year when he's 36 or 37.

 

You also don't want to rely on the sh*tty, Placido Polanco types of free agents just because they are cheap and carry little commitment.

 

Baseball finances were better 10 years ago when 4 year contracts were considered the norm for great talent. The only cost effective way to run a team now is to lock up players before they are arbitration eligible. You get young talent as opposed to 36 year olds and have them under control for a pretty reasonable price.

 

 

The problem with signing the long term contracts is when the player underperforms, see Hanley. The Marlins can ill afford to make bad investments, the same is true for free agents. I agree we should lock up some of or younger players and hopefully they can develop and produce ala 1990's Cleveland Indians.

 

 

 

 

Hanley Ramirez wasn't a bad investment even looking in hindsight. The injuries are more bothersome than the decline in performance over the last couple of seasons but that's something that can happen in free agency as well.

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Smart teams need to lock people up when the sophomore year demonstrates they are not a fluke. The Rays are run like an investment firm and they get dividends.

 

 

This is my philosophy. f*** signing free agent players to these seven year contracts when they are already 30 years old. Sure someone like Robinson Cano is a great player now but you don't want to be paying him 20 million/year when he's 36 or 37.

 

You also don't want to rely on the sh*tty, Placido Polanco types of free agents just because they are cheap and carry little commitment.

 

Baseball finances were better 10 years ago when 4 year contracts were considered the norm for great talent. The only cost effective way to run a team now is to lock up players before they are arbitration eligible. You get young talent as opposed to 36 year olds and have them under control for a pretty reasonable price.

 

 

The problem with signing the long term contracts is when the player underperforms, see Hanley. The Marlins can ill afford to make bad investments, the same is true for free agents. I agree we should lock up some of or younger players and hopefully they can develop and produce ala 1990's Cleveland Indians.

 

 

 

 

Or ala the Rays now. They've been successful for quite a long time now locking up players SUPER early. By the time they reach free agency and are no longer affordable (BJ Upton) or they trade said player before they hit FA (Shields), they have a suitable replacement that has been groomed for YEARS or they acquire one in said trade.

 

The Marlins work with this philosophy, however, lack the execution. They need a PLAN, and they clearly don't have one.

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I'm not sure how the Marlins work with that philosophy if they rarely buy out arbitration. And when they do, they do it later than the Rays would.

 

 

They bought out arb and a few FA years with a handful of players, Hanley, JJ, Ricky, etc. They just take WAY too long to buy out players, and because they wait too long, they can't do it with enough players to keep the core around. Then they're forced to trade away players too soon.

 

So, like I said, they TRY to use that philosophy... but as we both agree, they wait way too long. I think that's what needs to change. As of this off-season, if we were Tampa, Giancarlo, Jose, Christian, and LoMo would all have long term deals.

 

Is there a great deal of risk signing players that soon? YES. Does it pay off? More often then not, I think it does. Instead of risking $100 Million on a 29-year-old (Jose Reyes, for example) you're risking, say, $44 Million (Evan Longoria's original extension) on a 23-year-old.

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I refuse to believe they try to use that philosophy when they made little to no attempt to lock up Cabrera and show no signs of being willing to do it with Stanton.

 

The Rays never would have tried to sign Heath Bell and Albert Pujols to those ridiculous contracts even if they hypothetically had a "new revenue stream."

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I refuse to believe they try to use that philosophy when they made little to no attempt to lock up Cabrera and show no signs of being willing to do it with Stanton.

 

The Rays never would have tried to sign Heath Bell and Albert Pujols to those ridiculous contracts even if they hypothetically had a "new revenue stream."

 

 

Well, I agree with you here. But this leads back to my comment that this front office has no plan. I think they make decent decisions on the fly, like the Toronto trade, but I also think that very trade itself shows they have no clue.

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I refuse to believe they try to use that philosophy when they made little to no attempt to lock up Cabrera and show no signs of being willing to do it with Stanton.

 

The Rays never would have tried to sign Heath Bell and Albert Pujols to those ridiculous contracts even if they hypothetically had a "new revenue stream."

 

 

They did for a time after Cabrera. They signed Hanley, JJ and Nolasco before arbitration, no? It seemed like they had a plan then.

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I'm not sure how the Marlins work with that philosophy if they rarely buy out arbitration. And when they do, they do it later than the Rays would.

 

 

They bought out arb and a few FA years with a handful of players, Hanley, JJ, Ricky, etc. They just take WAY too long to buy out players, and because they wait too long, they can't do it with enough players to keep the core around. Then they're forced to trade away players too soon.

 

So, like I said, they TRY to use that philosophy... but as we both agree, they wait way too long. I think that's what needs to change. As of this off-season, if we were Tampa, Giancarlo, Jose, Christian, and LoMo would all have long term deals.

 

Is there a great deal of risk signing players that soon? YES. Does it pay off? More often then not, I think it does. Instead of risking $100 Million on a 29-year-old (Jose Reyes, for example) you're risking, say, $44 Million (Evan Longoria's original extension) on a 23-year-old.

 

 

It's going to be difficult to lock up Fernandez considering Boras is his agent. He did mention he would be interested in a long term deal that runs 12 years long for his younger clients but I'm not sure if he was serious there.

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I'm not sure how the Marlins work with that philosophy if they rarely buy out arbitration. And when they do, they do it later than the Rays would.

 

 

They bought out arb and a few FA years with a handful of players, Hanley, JJ, Ricky, etc. They just take WAY too long to buy out players, and because they wait too long, they can't do it with enough players to keep the core around. Then they're forced to trade away players too soon.

 

So, like I said, they TRY to use that philosophy... but as we both agree, they wait way too long. I think that's what needs to change. As of this off-season, if we were Tampa, Giancarlo, Jose, Christian, and LoMo would all have long term deals.

 

Is there a great deal of risk signing players that soon? YES. Does it pay off? More often then not, I think it does. Instead of risking $100 Million on a 29-year-old (Jose Reyes, for example) you're risking, say, $44 Million (Evan Longoria's original extension) on a 23-year-old.

 

 

It's going to be difficult to lock up Fernandez considering Boras is his agent. He did mention he would be interested in a long term deal that runs 12 years long for his younger clients but I'm not sure if he was serious there.

 

 

 

 

Fortunately for us, Boras works for Fernandez and not the other way around. I did read something that Boras said, a long while back, if his clients want to sign long term deals he will not stand in their way and it's ultimately their decisions and not his. I have a feeling the Marlins and Jose will come to an agreement much sooner than they did with Giancarlo.

 

The stretch of draft busts didn't help either.

 

 

*Cough* 2005 *Cough*

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