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I still remember him being the Gatorade high school player, what more could you have asked for a lefty hitting catcher with some pop?

Too bad the Marlins screwed up in his development so badly when they skipped over Jupiter. Sadly he may still be a part of the organization despite his being taken off of the 40 man.

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Yes, not a great draft but instead of Skipworthless, Beinfest could've drafted all-stars Jason Castro, Wade Miley or Lance Lynn. I also would have been happy with local products Alex Avila or Yonder Alonso, or others like Brett Lawrie or Craig Kimbrel...

I'm sure you would've known who to pick beforehand.

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disagree: Yonder Alonso was very highly touted and picked right after Skipworth. I don't remember the buzz about the others but most of those guys were either 1st rounders or supplemental picks.

 

Not saying I would have known who to pick beforehand, but I'm not getting paid to scout these guys. Also, I was rebutting Future's claim that "it's not like we missed much that was picked after him." Clearly, we missed a lot of players picked after Skipworth.

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Beinfest gets a lot of grief for having so many 1st round misses. He did miss a lot, no question. Since he became GM in 2002, he picked the following guys in the 1st and Supplemental rounds:

Hits:

Yelich, J. FERNANDEZ

Misses:

Hermida, Allison, Tankersley, Volstad, Thompson, Marceaux, Tucker, West, Sinkbeil, Coghlan, Dominguez, Skipworth

?:

C James, Heaney, Moran

ALL CAPS = All Star

 

This seems to be a pretty awful success rate. But does anyone know how this compares to the 1st rounds for other GMs?

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Beinfest gets a lot of grief for having so many 1st round misses. He did miss a lot, no question. Since he became GM in 2002, he picked the following guys in the 1st and Supplemental rounds:

Hits:

Yelich, J. FERNANDEZ

Misses:

Hermida, Allison, Tankersley, Volstad, Thompson, Marceaux, Tucker, West, Sinkbeil, Coghlan, Dominguez, Skipworth

?:

C James, Heaney, Moran

ALL CAPS = All Star

 

This seems to be a pretty awful success rate. But does anyone know how this compares to the 1st rounds for other GMs?

I wouldn't put Dominguez in the "misses" category. He is starting for the Astros, and had a decent rookie season. He might never be an All Star but he will be a useful major league ball player.

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disagree: Yonder Alonso was very highly touted and picked right after Skipworth. I don't remember the buzz about the others but most of those guys were either 1st rounders or supplemental picks.

 

Not saying I would have known who to pick beforehand, but I'm not getting paid to scout these guys. Also, I was rebutting Future's claim that "it's not like we missed much that was picked after him." Clearly, we missed a lot of players picked after Skipworth.

 

 

To be fair, from what I remember, Skipworth was also very highly touted. Just hasn't panned out yet. Maybe he never will, maybe he's just a late bloomer/slow learner. Right now the best I can say about him is that he is following his dream, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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I wouldn't put Dominguez in the "misses" category. He is starting for the Astros, and had a decent rookie season. He might never be an All Star but he will be a useful major league ball player.

 

I wouldn't put Coghlan in the "miss" category either.

Kid gets drafted, hits around .300 and OPS over .800 in three years of minor leagues, even shows a little power.

His fourth year he is crushing it, gets called up and continues to crush. Hits .321, OPS .850, wins ROY.

After that he tanks for whatever reason, how can you put that on the guy who drafted him?

 

FYI, I'm not a fan of Bienfest.

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Coghlan was clearly never the same after the pie incident. Blaming him for Coghlan's demise is completely unfair.

 

It's easy though to say things after the fact.

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Let's compare him to OMG Billy Beane Mr. Money Ball himself. I'm going to list all of the 1st round and supplemental 1st round picks since 02'.

 

2002:

Jeremy S. Brown, John McCurdy, Joe Blanton, Nick Swisher, Stephen Obenchain, Benjamin Fritz, Mark Teahan

2003:

Omar Quintanilla, Brian Snyder, Bradley Sullivan

2004:

Landon Powell, Daniel Putnam, Houston Street, Richard Robnett

2005:

Cliff Pennington, Travis Buck

2006:

NONE

2007:

Donald Simmons, Sean Doolittle, Corey Brown

2008:

Jemile Weeks

2009:

Grant Green

2010:

Michael Choice

2011:

Sonny Gray

2012:

Addison Russell, Daniel Robertson, Matt Olson

2013:

Billy McKinney

 

Probably a little bit better than Beinfest but not by much. The draft really is an inexact science. Even with all of the technology and tools available to GM's today it's hard to predict how these kids will develop. I would also like to point out that Beinfest's last 4 picks (Yelich, Fernandez, Heaney, Moran) look really promising.

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Yeah, there are several things I hate about people who just list failed 1st round draft picks.

 

One, there's no comparing it relative to the league. It's kind of like saying that it takes Stanton an average of four games to hit a home run. Four whole games! That's three failed games with no home runs. 75% of the time he doesn't hit one! Except that the average player is more so like 10 games to hit a home run. So being relative to everyone else kinda sorta really maters

 

Two, as Bender said, who cares, it's the first round. It's the whole draft that matters.

 

Three, putting it all on one person (Beinfest) is dumb and ignoring that everyone else loved the guy. Let's look at Hermida. Everyone loved him out of HS. He blew up the minors. He's a consensus top prospect. Yet he failed. But that's Beinfest being bad when everybody thought the same thing? I mean, you can get into the whole argument of "the consensus appraisal process is bad" and I'm definitely not going to argue against that but everyone here is the ones touting top #100 prospects and shit and yet they'll turn around and say "well he should have known better" and ya'll don't see the problem with that?

 

Four, ya'll a bunch of retrospecting mothafuckas.

 

I don't care for Beinfest but every time this is brought up it's dumb. Or atleast, done in a dumb way. Because I don't know how Beinfest was relative to league for his whole draft. Maybe he was bad. But the "evidence" presented is dumb. At least rydawg did a comparison.

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People really need to not focus so much on the first round. It's a crapshoot, the entire draft. Your 32nd round pick could end up being the best player out of the entire draft (Pujols, for example).

Agreed, but the subject at hand was "1st Rd misses". After all our best player is Giancarlo Stanton and he was a 2nd Rd pick. Josh Johnson was a 4th Rd pick, and so on.

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Beinfest gets a lot of grief for having so many 1st round misses. He did miss a lot, no question. Since he became GM in 2002, he picked the following guys in the 1st and Supplemental rounds:

Hits:

Yelich, J. FERNANDEZ

Misses:

Hermida, Allison, Tankersley, Volstad, Thompson, Marceaux, Tucker, West, Sinkbeil, Coghlan, Dominguez, Skipworth

?:

C James, Heaney, Moran

ALL CAPS = All Star

 

This seems to be a pretty awful success rate. But does anyone know how this compares to the 1st rounds for other GMs?

I'm pretty sure we can add James to the miss list, at this point in his career the only way he gets to the Show is as a LOOGY, but even that appears questionable based on his stats in Greensboro last year

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