June 1, 201412 yr Bryan Morris is doing just fine `THIS` season.Dont know what some of you are talking about.And hes still young. No, no, he's not. 3.80 ERA is good for a 4/5 starter, not a middle reliever. He has 14 Ks in 23.2 innings, and he's walked 12 in the same span. That's crap. His WHIP is 1.5! He's allowed more hits than innings. This move really makes no sense.
June 1, 201412 yr I don't disagree with making a move and trying to upgrade the bullpen. I don't even mind trading the pick but I'm just not sold on the return. He does have a live arm from all accounts but the results have not been there.
June 1, 201412 yr you're being too generous with average. This guy's peripherals are terrible He's better than his peripherals. I don't really have a problem with what he is as a pitcher, but giving up the pick is dumb.
June 1, 201412 yr Wow, when Law said Jennings was old school he wasn't playing. Shooting for pitcher with good ERA w/o considering peripherals. This is bad guys. This is ugly.
June 1, 201412 yr No, no, he's not. 3.80 ERA is good for a 4/5 starter, not a middle reliever. He has 14 Ks in 23.2 innings, and he's walked 12 in the same span. That's crap. His WHIP is 1.5! He's allowed more hits than innings. This move really makes no sense. But hes recently changed his mechanics....He has alot of room for improvement......
June 1, 201412 yr But hes recently changed his mechanics....He has alot of room for improvement...... Kinda like Marmol changed his mechanics?
June 1, 201412 yr But hes recently changed his mechanics....He has alot of room for improvement...... His first 10 games, he had a 2.19 ERA. His last 11, 5.56. He's not good. New mechanics probably won't change that.
June 1, 201412 yr On one hand, I like that the front office is trying to improve an area of need. On the other hand, I don't like that this is their idea of improvement
June 1, 201412 yr Does this mean Henry Rodriguez is worth a second round supplemental pick? Maybe. We should trade him to Pittsburgh for the 39th overall pick.
June 1, 201412 yr 5.01 FIP! Five-Zero-One. That's nowhere near average, that's terrible. Add the Pirates to the list of teams that have bent us over.
June 1, 201412 yr FIP assumes that all batted balls are the same. The stat became less cool years ago.
June 1, 201412 yr FIP assumes that all batted balls are the same. The stat became less cool years ago. Fair enough...how about 4.04 walks per 9 to go with only 5.48 strikeouts per 9? Or a 4.33 xFIP, or -1.8 career WAR. 4.05 SIERA? I mean...show me one stat that says he's even decent, because even that 3.46 career ERA isn't great for a "back end" of the bullpen guy.
June 1, 201412 yr Fair enough...how about 4.04 walks per 9 to go with only 5.48 strikeouts per 9? Or a 4.33 xFIP, or -1.8 career WAR. 4.05 SIERA? I mean...show me one stat that says he's even decent, because even that 3.46 career ERA isn't great for a "back end" of the bullpen guy. -I don't like this trade, but the guy is not as terrible as everyone is making him out to be. For one, a 3.46 ERA is "decent." -He's your typical average reliever. He has a platoon split. He pitches well against righties and struggles against lefties. -He's an extreme GB pitcher so it's not surprising that he out pitches his peripherals. -His K% is terrible, but he has good stuff. Looking further into the #'s, you'd see that his talent level probably exceeds his K%. Velocity aside, a 34.6 o-swing% and 12.1 swstrk% is indicative of good stuff that just hasn't translated to strikeouts yet. What his K% will be in the future, I do not know. However, those #'s should translate to something better than the #'s he's put up in the K department. -The walks are a problem but he compensates a bit for that, as I said, with the GB%. Again, he's an ok reliever. The problem is more what we gave up than Morris, himself. Looking at FIP to make the trade seem worse than it is doesn't necessarily make him awful. FIP doesn't take into account that he's induced weak contact in the big leagues. FIP also doesn't take into account that an ~18% HR/FB is probably going to lower long-term. If I had to guess the type of pitcher he's going to be long-term, it's probably right around what his ERA #'s have been.
June 1, 201412 yr -I don't like this trade, but the guy is not as terrible as everyone is making him out to be. For one, a 3.46 ERA is "decent." -He's your typical average reliever. He has a platoon split. He pitches well against righties and struggles against lefties. -He's an extreme GB pitcher so it's not surprising that he out pitches his peripherals. -His K% is terrible, but he has good stuff. Looking further into the #'s, you'd see that his talent level probably exceeds his K%. Velocity aside, a 34.6 o-swing% and 12.1 swstrk% is indicative of good stuff that just hasn't translated to strikeouts yet. What his K% will be in the future, I do not know. However, those #'s should translate to something better than the #'s he's put up in the K department. -The walks are a problem but he compensates a bit for that, as I said, with the GB%. Again, he's an ok reliever. The problem is more what we gave up than Morris, himself. Looking at FIP to make the trade seem worse than it is doesn't necessarily make him awful. FIP doesn't take into account that he's induced weak contact in the big leagues. FIP also doesn't take into account that an ~18% HR/FB is probably going to lower long-term. If I had to guess the type of pitcher he's going to be long-term, it's probably right around what his ERA #'s have been. That makes me feel at least a bit better about the whole thing, but like you said, probably not worth what we gave up. Thanks for the detailed answer!
June 1, 201412 yr Really really moronic....a few more trades like this and Marlins will be doomed for years to come.
June 1, 201412 yr Article with nothing you didn't already know: http://www.therunnersports.com/2014/06/01/miami-marlins-acquire-pitcher-bryan-morris-pittsburgh-pirates/
June 1, 201412 yr "He's your typical average reliever. He has a platoon split. He pitches well against righties and struggles against lefties." So I imagine redmond will be using him a lot against lefties then
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