November 7, 201411 yr Marlins (6) Casey McGehee (5.028) – $3.5MM Giancarlo Stanton (4.118) – $13.0MM Mike Dunn (4.079) – $2.3MM Steve Cishek (3.143) – $6.9MM Henderson Alvarez (3.051) – $4.5MM Nathan Eovaldi (3.013) – $3.1MM it's a shame that the Marlins are going to have to lose a really good bullpen guy like Cishek. if only they were a decent organization.
November 7, 201411 yr I think Alvarez is a little high, and Stanton a little low (they should really go for broke in arb), but the spread there is reasonable overall. They definitely have to move Cishek unless payroll is closer to $65-70. I think you almost have to move Eovaldi and Dunn also and use them to get young infielders. Use the rest of the money to get one legit SP for 2-3 seasons and hopefully a veteran IF for any position. I'm really not concerned with a Ramos, Morris, Capps, hatcher, hand, Jennings, whoever bullpen.
November 7, 201411 yr I don't think they'll trade Cishek unless Stanton rejects the long-term extension. Trading Cishek would be seen as taking a step backwards. I hope they trade Eovaldi and Dunn for a slighty above average infielder. I've said it before, we don't need big names eveywhere. We could load up with a couple of 2 WAR players and be a very good team.
November 7, 201411 yr I don't think losing 65 good innings in the bullpen is a step backwards if the alternative is getting a good young infielder and having $7 million to spend on the team
November 7, 201411 yr Is 2.3mil for done a good offer. My heart is telling me No. Very fair. He's given the marlins 1.7 WAR production as a RP over the last 2 years.
November 8, 201411 yr Obviously it's a steal to have a guy like Henderson Alvarez at that price. Some of the perks of having young players. I don't think $7 million is that bad to keep Cishek. He's a super reliable closer and we've found since 2006 that those aren't all that easy to find. But if Cishek is one of the pieces in a line of cost cutting to get Stanton a long term extension, then Cishek has to be traded unfortunately. As much as I love Cishek I'm perfectly fine spending dirt cheap on the bullpen and going back to the old "throw sh*t against the wall and see what sticks" routine. If it fails so be it, but I think the team needs to cut some unnecessary costs to get the payroll to a point where we can afford extensions for, at the very least, Stanton, Alvarez, Yelich, and maybe Ozuna (although he's a 'let him play and prove it one more time' kind of guy).
November 8, 201411 yr Obviously it's a steal to have a guy like Henderson Alvarez at that price. Some of the perks of having young players. I don't think $7 million is that bad to keep Cishek. He's a super reliable closer and we've found since 2006 that those aren't all that easy to find. But if Cishek is one of the pieces in a line of cost cutting to get Stanton a long term extension, then Cishek has to be traded unfortunately. As much as I love Cishek I'm perfectly fine spending dirt cheap on the bullpen and going back to the old "throw sh*t against the wall and see what sticks" routine. If it fails so be it, but I think the team needs to cut some unnecessary costs to get the payroll to a point where we can afford extensions for, at the very least, Stanton, Alvarez, Yelich, and maybe Ozuna (although he's a 'let him play and prove it one more time' kind of guy). 1/10th of a bottom 5 payroll in MLB cannot be spent on 65 innings, no matter how good he is
November 8, 201411 yr Obviously it's a steal to have a guy like Henderson Alvarez at that price. Some of the perks of having young players. I don't think $7 million is that bad to keep Cishek. He's a super reliable closer and we've found since 2006 that those aren't all that easy to find. But if Cishek is one of the pieces in a line of cost cutting to get Stanton a long term extension, then Cishek has to be traded unfortunately. As much as I love Cishek I'm perfectly fine spending dirt cheap on the bullpen and going back to the old "throw sh*t against the wall and see what sticks" routine. If it fails so be it, but I think the team needs to cut some unnecessary costs to get the payroll to a point where we can afford extensions for, at the very least, Stanton, Alvarez, Yelich, and maybe Ozuna (although he's a 'let him play and prove it one more time' kind of guy). I'm guessing Ramos would be first in line if we ship out Cishek. Followed by ... ... everyone else?
November 8, 201411 yr I'm guessing Ramos would be first in line if we ship out Cishek. Followed by ... ... everyone else? I wouldn't make it Ramos. He has been a shut down set up man, but I do question him as a closer candidate due to the walks. Keep him in the role he's thrived in, there are a few other guys that might be better suited to close.
November 8, 201411 yr I wouldn't make it Ramos. He has been a shut down set up man, but I do question him as a closer candidate due to the walks. Keep him in the role he's thrived in, there are a few other guys that might be better suited to close. I don't disagree, but considering his relative success in the 8th, he'd be the first guy they go to for the ninth.
November 8, 201411 yr Payroll will be higher than reported in the end They said it appeared they would have the room to do what they need to do. With the exception of that rough month, you jet can't gamble on having an unproven closer. Cishek does, however, need to go back to working on his splitter.
November 8, 201411 yr I don't disagree, but considering his relative success in the 8th, he'd be the first guy they go to for the ninth. I actually think if they had to make a decision tomorrow it would be Carter Capps.
November 9, 201411 yr I too think payroll will be higher than we think. We're closer to being a contender than we've been in seemingly ages and Loria isn't exactly afraid to spend when he sees a window of opportunity. I'm not saying payroll will skyrocket but I can definitely see it exceeding that $60 million that keeps being tossed around. Or, if anything, I just see the $60 million as too low for where we're at even for Loria and the Marlins.
November 9, 201411 yr If there is a player available to put the team over the hump, payroll will be damned and Loria will get his man just like he did in 2003 with Pudge.
November 9, 201411 yr There is no fucking excuse to have a payroll under 90 million in 2015 in MLB with all the fucking cash coming in from national media deals alone. Especially if you are selling that you are trying to win and compete. Marlins should lock up Stanton, Yelich, Fernandez, and probably Ozuna long term. Buy out a year or two of free agency, know your costs going forward and add from there. And they should have done this with Stanton last winter. I wont hold my breath that Yelich, Fernandez or Ozuna get locked up long term like they should, like a smart organization would do that cries poverty like the Marlins do. Been so fucking mismanaged for years.
November 9, 201411 yr If there is a player available to put the team over the hump, payroll will be damned and Loria will get his man just like he did in 2003 with Pudge. This.
November 9, 201411 yr If there is a player available to put the team over the hump, payroll will be damned and Loria will get his man just like he did in 2003 with Pudge. is that player scherzer?!?!?!?
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