Mickey Mantis Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 So apparently Cliff Floyd stated on 790 recently that when Dee Gordon comes back from suspension, Derek Dietrich should still start over him considering the numbers he's putting up. Its going to be a tough decision considering how much money Dee Gordon is making to not play and we all know how much pressure the front office likes to put on management. Now, I for one agree with Cliff but also think that we could use Gordon in our lineup also. Here's what I'm proposing that the Marlins should do when the time comes. Slide either Dietrich or Gordon to short (I know we would take some hit defensively in the infield) and trade Hech for some starter help during the trade deadline. One problem is that if we were to make the playoffs, Dee Gordon is not allowed to play. What do you guys think? Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmeister Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Dee Gordon will play shortstop. His original position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 OK,this question was too complicated to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Unfortunately trading Hech for playoff pitching help doesn't make any sense because of the suspension. Trading Dee himself to a team that plans to compete next year might make sense, but his values gotta be at an all time low. He really screwed the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Mantis Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 OK,this question was too complicated to think about. Was it the way I worded it? Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 One of the reasons that Dee plays second base is because he wasn't very good a SS. Also, Hech is not going to net us a top of the rotation arm. We can acquire a 5th starter without having to give up Hech. We have one of the best defenses in baseball. Hech is a big part of that. We have like 6 players in our lineup hitting over .300 and we have a very good team OBP. While we have been mediocre at scoring runs, offense itself hasn't really been a problem. The best thing to do is make either Prado or Dietrich a super sub and make sure everyone is rested and healthy. After all, Mattingly loves to rest his players. Especially after having big games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck carr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 We can't worry about who the Marlins will start in the playoffs. We need to make the playoffs. The playoffs for us starts with a single game. We need to focus on having the best team for the regular season. That said, Dietrich is incapable of playing SS in the big leagues. Dee can play SS, but would be terrible defensively - So bad that his post-PED offense will not be good enough to justify supplanting Hech and his glove. Plus, Hech has been super unlucky with hard hit batted balls, that will even out. Can't trade Dee because his value will be terrible. Can't trade Hech because we need his glove - Our team defense is what saves this brutal rotation. Can't trade Prado because he's too good, is our clubhouse leader and any team dealing for him would be a contender unwilling to deal a quality MLB starting pitcher. Could trade Dietrich - stock is high, young, controllable player who could gets us a quality starting pitcher from a team like the Rays. However, I believe that won't happen either. I think (barring injuries - which we all know are inevitable) that Mattingly will rotate players. One day Hech sits for Dee. One day Dietrich plays 3rd for Prado and Dee plays second. One day Prado plays 1st base and Dietrich 3rd and Dee 2nd. When Dee doesn't start, he could pitch run in key spots. Depth isn't a bad thing. But at least to start, I think this will be the plan. Then at the trade deadline we will reassess. Can't just hand the SS or 2b job over to Dee though. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Then at the trade deadline we will reassess. Can't just hand the SS or 2b job over to Dee though. Won't have much time to get info unfortunately since Dee comes back 7/29 and the deadline is a few days later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 We can't worry about who the Marlins will start in the playoffs. We need to make the playoffs. The playoffs for us starts with a single game. We need to focus on having the best team for the regular season. That said, Dietrich is incapable of playing SS in the big leagues. Dee can play SS, but would be terrible defensively - So bad that his post-PED offense will not be good enough to justify supplanting Hech and his glove. Plus, Hech has been super unlucky with hard hit batted balls, that will even out. Can't trade Dee because his value will be terrible. Can't trade Hech because we need his glove - Our team defense is what saves this brutal rotation. Can't trade Prado because he's too good, is our clubhouse leader and any team dealing for him would be a contender unwilling to deal a quality MLB starting pitcher. Could trade Dietrich - stock is high, young, controllable player who could gets us a quality starting pitcher from a team like the Rays. However, I believe that won't happen either. I think (barring injuries - which we all know are inevitable) that Mattingly will rotate players. One day Hech sits for Dee. One day Dietrich plays 3rd for Prado and Dee plays second. One day Prado plays 1st base and Dietrich 3rd and Dee 2nd. When Dee doesn't start, he could pitch run in key spots. Depth isn't a bad thing. But at least to start, I think this will be the plan. Then at the trade deadline we will reassess. Can't just hand the SS or 2b job over to Dee though. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Dee will just be coming back right at the deadline if I'm not mistaken. Possibly longer than that if he isn't allowed to play in the minors until after his suspension. Not sure what the rules are for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricOwens! Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Dee should sit his ass on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I don't think that Dee would be terrible at SS. He should start at SS against RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck carr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 But we can reassess the infield health, performance and overall team needs at the deadline. Hech is too good in the field not to start. He could sit here and there but can't lose his glove on a regular basis. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck carr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 In 160 games at SS (mind you many of these games he didn't even start) Dee committed 35 errors. Hech has 14 errors over his last 207. Dee at SS commits 3 times as many errors as Hech. And, the errors are the least impactful issue. Hech's range and arm are so far superior to Dee's. I know there is defensive WAR and other defensive metrics, but from watching the games I am certain that this team would have at least 5 more losses if post-PED Dee had been playing SS over Hech all year, and that includes accounting for their offense. Hech has not only directly saved runs but he has kept pitching arms fresher by ending innings sooner - huge trickle down effect. Defense gets overlooked or at least undervalued. Ask every starter on the Marlins who they'd rather have in the lineup/field for their start and the answer would be unanimous. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMagnus Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 And you're going to get what for Hech? He's not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 In 160 games at SS (mind you many of these games he didn't even start) Dee committed 35 errors. Hech has 14 errors over his last 207. Dee at SS commits 3 times as many errors as Hech. And, the errors are the least impactful issue. Hech's range and arm are so far superior to Dee's. I know there is defensive WAR and other defensive metrics, but from watching the games I am certain that this team would have at least 5 more losses if post-PED Dee had been playing SS over Hech all year, and that includes accounting for their offense. Hech has not only directly saved runs but he has kept pitching arms fresher by ending innings sooner - huge trickle down effect. Defense gets overlooked or at least undervalued. Ask every starter on the Marlins who they'd rather have in the lineup/field for their start and the answer would be unanimous. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Wasn't Dee also a bad 2B before he got to the Marlins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck carr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 He was. Maybe the PEDs helped, maybe Perry Hill helped, but his arm strength isn't good enough for SS, nor his range. 2b is s much easier position with Dee's skill set. Look at Dietrich. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I don't think that Dee would be terrible at SS. He should start at SS against RHP. He wasnt exactly a great SS when he played there for the Dodgers a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well, Hech sucks at baseball so it's worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck carr Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 And guess what, PEDs really work. Dee had an obp % of only .289 this year off the juice. Hech' was higher than that last year and very close so far this year, and they have the same slugging %. So, we need to realize that Dee will not be the Dee we knew last year. Hech is on pace for 70 Ks. Dee was on pace for 130 Ks off the juice. The speed and durability will suffer as well. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I'd be fine with trading Hech and putting Gordon at short but Gordon can't be on the playoff roster and Hech won't bring much of a return in a trade. They should keep all three for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Dee did not have a strong enough arm to play SS. His range (which is nothing special anyway) wasn't the issue, it was his arm that moved him to 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Marlins25 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Dietrich to SS.He's a decent Ss to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Velez Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Dietrich to SS.He's a decent Ss to. Dietrich is subpar defensively at 2nd base, forget about SS...I would rather play Prado at SS and move DD to 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Not to be a downer, but I don't think it should matter by 7/30. It will, because this team always overrates its first half performance, but it shouldn't. This team isn't ready to compete and will probably stay at around .500 or the remainder of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batato Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I want Dee back...Juice or no Juice (hopefully Prune Juice this time around) Maybe with Prune Juice he will run even faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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