Just now, rmc523 said:

"they" meaning the Marlins, or other teams?

If the Marlins, sure because he's cheaper.

They as in the Marlins. As for why, his salary could have been a part if it sure.

So ... this keeps up, do we go all in buying or do we kinda half-buy half-sell like 2020/2023?

3 hours ago, Michael said:

So ... this keeps up, do we go all in buying or do we kinda half-buy half-sell like 2020/2023?

I think they will genuinely field offers for Sandy and Cabrera to see what they can get, but I don't think either get dealt because the asking price will be too high. I do feel they will try to move pieces like Jesus Sanchez, Dane Myers and maybe a couple of relievers. But I don't think the Marlins will be nearly as active at the trade deadline as most thought they would be a month ago.

Edited July 20, 2025Jul 20 by Valid

I think you trade Cabrera for a haul assuming he comes back fine from the injury. Love him but his value is sky high rn, he has 3 years of control, and he’s an injury risk. Also not a Bendix guy. I think you can get 2 top 100 guys for him with one being top 50. Add a couple lower end scratch offs and that’s a good trade.

I also pursue deals for Bender and to a lesser extent Sanchez (I think he has another gear he could tap into). Bender could get you a couple of good prospects, maybe one high in the top 100.

I listen on other BP arms except Ronny (one more year of this kind of play and he’ll have Scott-like value).

Those three guys alone can get you 3 top 100 guys and a few fliers. That’s huge. Also instantly replaced by Marsee, Mazur, and one of our lights out AA bullpen arms (there like 5 of them, also where are Nardi and Cronin?). Staff takes a step back but lineup and bullpen probably stay the same or get better. Maybe there’s some buy low MLB talent you can swing at too if you want to be buyers.

I also pass on trading Sandy. Don’t see a point.

In the offseason give me a Eury extension and one corner infield impact signing/trade and let’s ride.

Edited July 20, 2025Jul 20 by EricOwens!

1 hour ago, EricOwens! said:

I think you trade Cabrera for a haul assuming he comes back fine from the injury. Love him but his value is sky high rn, he has 3 years of control, and he’s an injury risk. Also not a Bendix guy. I think you can get 2 top 100 guys for him with one being top 50. Add a couple lower end scratch offs and that’s a good trade.

I also pursue deals for Bender and to a lesser extent Sanchez (I think he has another gear he could tap into). Bender could get you a couple of good prospects, maybe one high in the top 100.

I listen on other BP arms except Ronny (one more year of this kind of play and he’ll have Scott-like value).

Those three guys alone can get you 3 top 100 guys and a few fliers. That’s huge. Also instantly replaced by Marsee, Mazur, and one of our lights out AA bullpen arms (there like 5 of them, also where are Nardi and Cronin?). Staff takes a step back but lineup and bullpen probably stay the same or get better. Maybe there’s some buy low MLB talent you can swing at too if you want to be buyers.

I also pass on trading Sandy. Don’t see a point.

In the offseason give me a Eury extension and one corner infield impact signing/trade and let’s ride.

Eh, this is Sanchez's fifth full season and he's been pretty consistently average. Not bad, but I think he pretty much is what he is at this point. Okay pop, shaky plate discipline, inconsistent defense. Plus he is already 27 and turns 28 in October. If you find a good deal for him, you trade him.

6 hours ago, Valid said:

Eh, this is Sanchez's fifth full season and he's been pretty consistently average. Not bad, but I think he pretty much is what he is at this point. Okay pop, shaky plate discipline, inconsistent defense. Plus he is already 27 and turns 28 in October. If you find a good deal for him, you trade him.

Yeah, I don't see him getting very much honestly. He's never done much short of the occasional giant HR. He's just filler at this point.

5 hours ago, hovertical said:

Yeah, I don't see him getting very much honestly. He's never done much short of the occasional giant HR. He's just filler at this point.

There would probably be some dumb team out there willing to part with a decent prospect for him. The team control helps. But yeah; he just isn't all that great. I would rather dump him to make room for Marsee at this point. I think Myers should actually go, too. One example where the Marlins actually probably would have been better off trading him a few weeks ago before his numbers plummeted.

29 minutes ago, Valid said:

There would probably be some dumb team out there willing to part with a decent prospect for him. The team control helps. But yeah; he just isn't all that great. I would rather dump him to make room for Marsee at this point. I think Myers should actually go, too. One example where the Marlins actually probably would have been better off trading him a few weeks ago before his numbers plummeted.

i guess it depends what your definition of "decent" is. i would rather keep Dane over Jesus honestly but either are whatever i guess. I feel like Sanchez has had many more fulltime chances to prove himself than Dane has had and is just a bench piece at best.

12 hours ago, Valid said:

Eh, this is Sanchez's fifth full season and he's been pretty consistently average. Not bad, but I think he pretty much is what he is at this point. Okay pop, shaky plate discipline, inconsistent defense. Plus he is already 27 and turns 28 in October. If you find a good deal for him, you trade him.

If there’s a good deal then trade him yes, but I’ve never seen someone make such hard contact and have such mid HR numbers.

2 hours ago, EricOwens! said:

If there’s a good deal then trade him yes, but I’ve never seen someone make such hard contact and have such mid HR numbers.

yet here we are 5 years or so into his tenure and it's always the same thing

8 hours ago, EricOwens! said:

If there’s a good deal then trade him yes, but I’ve never seen someone make such hard contact and have such mid HR numbers.

His xslg this year is .499 but actual slg like .415. He’s a hard guy to give up on because he can make such good contact but it doesn’t translate to dongs. His Ks way down this year too

On 7/19/2025 at 7:13 PM, Michael said:

So ... this keeps up, do we go all in buying or do we kinda half-buy half-sell like 2020/2023?

Honestly, I haven't followed enough to know all the names we could move, but I'll give my overview of what I do know.

I think we'll do a sell the "spare parts", with a "buy" of players that are nearly ready with control (i.e. not low level prospects).

I'd think any rental guy is gone if we can get something (Cal?).

I could see us moving some bullpen pieces like Bender. I could also see Sanchez being on the block if we're able to get something decent. Unless a team is willing to overpay for Sandy's performance and bank on him returning to form, I'd say keep him at this point and hope for a better return in the offseason and/or return to form next deadline.

I say listen to offers on Cabrera if you get blown away.........he's put it together this year, but his track record makes me question if he's turned the corner for good, or if it's a fluke. Granted, he's kept being good, but still.

On 7/20/2025 at 1:20 AM, Valid said:

Eh, this is Sanchez's fifth full season and he's been pretty consistently average. Not bad, but I think he pretty much is what he is at this point. Okay pop, shaky plate discipline, inconsistent defense. Plus he is already 27 and turns 28 in October. If you find a good deal for him, you trade him.

Sanchez has an above average hard hit rate, but this is undermined by the fact that he is below average in his contact rate while being too agressive in his swing percentage. He has been more selective overall this year, but it has not helped his numbers. He also hits the ball on the ground too much which undermines the raw power. I think there is actually a good shot that we can get value from a team that thinks they can "fix" him by elevating his launch angle. As for baserunning and defense, he is below average at both, but not horribly below average. He does things akwardly and makes some rough mental errors, which makes it look worse than it is. For defense, he does not get good jumps. He does have a good arm though. He is below average with his speed, but does steal a surprising number of bases.

Conflicted on Dane though. Cannot see anything obvious to explain the drop in production. No major change in the pitch types he is facing or in his discipline stats. Have not seen any zone data, so maybe they are attacking with the same pitches, but in different spots. If he can start hitting better, he's a difference maker because of the speed and defense. But it's a big if.

We're in the race so why not to keep Quantrill.

5 hours ago, TaiwanMarlins said:

We're in the race so why not to keep Quantrill.

Nah, trade him if he has value. We're not going anywhere this year. No need to keep a rental around for no reason.

49 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Nah, trade him if he has value. We're not going anywhere this year. No need to keep a rental around for no reason.

If we get a 2006 type season I'll be ecstatic. 78-84 is fine by me.

I think that'd be enough to trigger a soft offseason sell (whoever has value that we don't need long term and bullpen arms) and then a couple proper signings.

14 minutes ago, Michael said:

If we get a 2006 type season I'll be ecstatic. 78-84 is fine by me.

I think that'd be enough to trigger a soft offseason sell (whoever has value that we don't need long term and bullpen arms) and then a couple proper signings.

I think the story of this season is that we don't need to go scorched earth with the deadline like many thought.

snip around the edges of rentals and non long term/bullpen arms, and maybe make a bigger trade for MLB ready parts (i.e. Cabrera for XYZ guys that'll play end of season and next year) if offers are right.

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

I think the story of this season is that we don't need to go scorched earth with the deadline like many thought.

snip around the edges of rentals and non long term/bullpen arms, and maybe make a bigger trade for MLB ready parts (i.e. Cabrera for XYZ guys that'll play end of season and next year) if offers are right.

Would love to find a trade partner for Nick Fortes [give us a couple DSL lottery tickets or a couple Low-A guys] and bring up Joe Mack.

55 minutes ago, Michael said:

DSL lottery tickets

Perv

On 7/20/2025 at 9:47 PM, pollythewog said:

His xslg this year is .499 but actual slg like .415. He’s a hard guy to give up on because he can make such good contact but it doesn’t translate to dongs. His Ks way down this year too

Exactly. 260 average, 92 average EV, 115 max EV….8 HR. Very frustrating.

If you can get something then go for it, we have plenty of LF OF depth and will probably pick up some more OF talent at the deadline

9 hours ago, EricOwens! said:

Exactly. 260 average, 92 average EV, 115 max EV….8 HR. Very frustrating.

If you can get something then go for it, we have plenty of LF OF depth and will probably pick up some more OF talent at the deadline

Even if he goes on to do well elsewhere it's just a case of he's had a reasonable amount of time here to get his shit together and hit with more power than this. I could see him being swapped for a guy with similar issues on another team just to see if a change of scenery works for both players.

Let Jeezy go, bring up Marsee. Next year we have an outfield of Stowers, Marsee, and Conine with Dane on the bench, or traded too.

Move Fortes out and bring up Mack. Or ... this would cause a grievance, could always Phantom IL Hicks. (Don't do that though.)

In September, bring up Deyvison and see what he can do with a cup of coffee. Have the big league team figure out exactly what he needs to do in order to get that hitting situated.

Probably a couple more moves that could be made here but that's what I've got for now.

Bring on the trades

2 hours ago, Michael said:

Let Jeezy go, bring up Marsee. Next year we have an outfield of Stowers, Marsee, and Conine with Dane on the bench, or traded too.

Move Fortes out and bring up Mack. Or ... this would cause a grievance, could always Phantom IL Hicks. (Don't do that though.)

In September, bring up Deyvison and see what he can do with a cup of coffee. Have the big league team figure out exactly what he needs to do in order to get that hitting situated.

Probably a couple more moves that could be made here but that's what I've got for now.

Depending on what pitchers we ship out and who we get in return as well could shape that outfield.

Owen Caissie would be fun. Lol