2 hours ago, Michael said:

THANK YOU PROJECT MANAGER

5 hours ago, Michael said:

Luzardo currently sports a 4.58 ERA and 1.43 WHIP.

His expected numbers are, at best, league average.

Walk rate since June 1st is almost 11%.

Batters are hitting .276/.354/.425 in that span against him, or basically facing the Rangers' Josh H. Smith every time, who has done fairly well this year.

Luzardo being gone is not a problem.

Luzardo is a 3 WAR pitcher right now and his era and whip were blown Up by a few starts. The majority of his starts have been dominant or very good. Hes considered a top 20 pitcher by everyone at this point. His FIP is like 3 and he’s been unlucky extremely unlucky.

the Phillies are very good with pitchers so might be why he’s been so good. Luzardo trade was a flop and as his value would be far higher right now if he had done something similar with fish, also the fish would be a .500 team if Luzardo was in rotation from day one.

Edited July 29, 2025Jul 29 by pollythewog

56 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Luzardo is a 3 WAR pitcher right now and his era and whip were blown Up by a few starts. The majority of his starts have been dominant or very good. Hes considered a top 20 pitcher by everyone at this point. His FIP is like 3 and he’s been unlucky extremely unlucky.

the Phillies are very good with pitchers so might be why he’s been so good. Luzardo trade was a flop and as his value would be far higher right now if he had done something similar with fish, also the fish would be a .500 team if Luzardo was in rotation from day one.

I just gave you the numbers since June 1st and that ignored the 12 ER start at the end of May. We'd be right where we are with him in the rotation from day one.

Or worse cause Sandy!

He's had a dominant third of a season followed by an extremely shit third of a season. Let's see what prevails for the final two months.

1 hour ago, Michael said:

I just gave you the numbers since June 1st and that ignored the 12 ER start at the end of May. We'd be right where we are with him in the rotation from day one.

Or worse cause Sandy!

He's had a dominant third of a season followed by an extremely shit third of a season. Let's see what prevails for the final two months.

1 hour ago, Michael said:

I just gave you the numbers since June 1st and that ignored the 12 ER start at the end of May. We'd be right where we are with him in the rotation from day one.

Or worse cause Sandy!

He's had a dominant third of a season followed by an extremely shit third of a season. Let's see what prevails for the final two months.

15 of his 21 starts he gave up 3 runs or less. This is absolutely a .500 team with him in the rotation. How are you ignoring his WAR being so high at both BR and FG m8?!

16 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

15 of his 21 starts he gave up 3 runs or less. This is absolutely a .500 team with him in the rotation. How are you ignoring his WAR being so high at both BR and FG m8?!

Because, much as I like WAR, it ain't standardized, so I'm looking at what he's doing on the field.

As it is, 11 of those 15 occurred before the blowup. In those four starts since, he has faced ...

• Cubs, terrible against lefties

• Mets, reasonable to be excited for that

• Braves, bad team and was only 5 innings

• Giants, not exactly a juggernaut

He has been terrible for two months. We'd be exactly where we are right now.

Shut the FUCK up, Polly!

The Marlins have gone 26-14 in their last 40 games. If they maintain that for the rest of the season, they would end up with around 87 wins. Every team holding post season spots is on pace for at least 88 wins in the NL. So our best stretch of the season measured up against their whole season and we would still end up short. Still would give us a fighting shot. Worth noting that fangraphs is projecting the Padres to finish with 86 and Baseball Prospectus is projecting 87 at the moment. Still very much a long shot and would be difficult to maintain such a high winning pace for nearly 100 games with a team this young. Especially if we trade Eddy or Sandy.

Don't know if LMF has reliable sources, but this is what he recently said. I will note that he may have been the first to announce Gus's call up, so he may have decent sources.

If you tweet enough dumb shit, you'll inevitably get one thing right.

That's how I view LMF.

6 minutes ago, Michael said:

Good motto.

30 minutes ago, Michael said:

If you tweet enough dumb shit, you'll inevitably get one thing right.

That's how I view LMF.

That's100% accurate. LOL

11 hours ago, Michael said:

Shut the FUCK up, Polly!

But everyone views him as a top 20 pitcher

Just now, hovertical said:

But everyone views him as a top 20 pitcher

I'll take Cal Quantrill over Jesus Luzardo since June 1st.

49 minutes ago, Michael said:

I'll take Cal Quantrill over Jesus Luzardo since June 1st.

Everyone knows Cal Quantrill is a top 19 pitcher

Cam Smith is the only headliner that makes it worth it imo

Embarrassed organization, trying to shed the payroll when the team is winning.

This.

5 hours ago, TaiwanMarlins said:

Embarrassed organization, trying to shed the payroll when the team is winning.

2 hours ago, TaiwanMarlins said:

This.

Eh, I know I railed against the approach in the offseason (and before), but I actually understand "staying the course" of keeping to doing trades for the future.

BUT, where I think this deadline should differ is that I think it should be trades around the edges instead of "core" trades......in other words, pending FA's, selling high on players that haven't done much before, etc, and the key is to get near term MLB-ready talent back so that we can be more competitive from the get-go next year and beyond. No trades for guys 3-5 years away.

8 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Eh, I know I railed against the approach in the offseason (and before), but I actually understand "staying the course" of keeping to doing trades for the future.

BUT, where I think this deadline should differ is that I think it should be trades around the edges instead of "core" trades......in other words, pending FA's, selling high on players that haven't done much before, etc, and the key is to get near term MLB-ready talent back so that we can be more competitive from the get-go next year and beyond. No trades for guys 3-5 years away.

So what's your take on trading Sandy? I feel like he's still part of the core, he has had success in the past, and he seems to be FINALLY turning the corner in his last few starts. He's also still under control a couple more seasons.

I'm not against it but I still feel like despite what Bendy dicks has said, Sherman wants him to shed payroll and he'll take back a meh offering for Sandy.

Especially if, like someone above pointed out, the Astros don't really have a real headliner to trade for.

4 minutes ago, hovertical said:

So what's your take on trading Sandy? I feel like he's still part of the core, he has had success in the past, and he seems to be FINALLY turning the corner in his last few starts. He's also still under control a couple more seasons.

I'm not against it but I still feel like despite what Bendy dicks has said, Sherman wants him to shed payroll and he'll take back a meh offering for Sandy.

Especially if, like someone above pointed out, the Astros don't really have a real headliner to trade for.

I've stated earlier in the thread that I'd probably trade Cabrera (it's great he's been pitching well, but I'm concerned about him returning to historical form, and lean toward selling high), and hold onto Sandy unless someone is willing to vastly overpay vs. his season performance (i.e. give us a Cy Young Sandy return). If you don't trade him now, hope Sandy continues pitching better and returns to form and then either re-evaluate trade offers in the offseason, or keep him either for the season if we're in it, or for a deadline trade next year if we're out of it.

Now, if you get undervalued offers for both now, then maybe you don't move one or either.

Otherwise, dump any pending FAs, and I'd move on from Sanchez too.

Edited July 31, 2025Jul 31 by rmc523

Deals for Ed n Sandy will require overpays. They won't be traded just to be traded. Firmly believe it.

4 minutes ago, Michael said:

Deals for Ed n Sandy will require overpays. They won't be traded just to be traded. Firmly believe it.

I hope so. Bendix needs to remember he does not HAVE to trade them.

40 minutes ago, Admin said:

I hope so. Bendix needs to remember he does not HAVE to trade them.

He knows.

Big Daddy Dix is smart.