The Big Hurt

This is an obvious observation... statistics wise, he is going to have a far worse year... With far less protection and less men on base he will have less hits, HRs, and RBIs. However, with so many bad pitches, he will probably have more walks.... His hits, RBIs, and HRs stats will all surely suffer... This is the reason that some fans, speculating that management had no intention of signing Migue long term, wanted to trade him now with value maxed out.

If they would just keep the Mermaids up in sec 449 the whole game....dancing... i think that would ameliorate the tension... lol also, this guy must be a smart guy using words like "ameliorate".... he must have just graduated from UM recently....lol..... Congrats Tank!!!!!!!

''In that photo he kinda looks like a midget version of Barry Bonds'' LOL, :lol FUNNY!!!! :lol :lol :lol

Reading the line... "Sigining them long term appears unlikely"... makes me think then what is the point of keeping them around. Trust me, no one wants to see those two here more than me... I love those guys. But from a FO perspective, if you they know that they will not be signed long term.... They have to trade them sooner or later..... Right now their value is at their highest... Willis is not going to have another 20 win season... and Migue is a high as can be with his age and ability. I mean, I really dont want to see these two go... Im still depressed about the whole situation... I am just surprised that they have not traded them yet.... Even though I am not advocating this in any way... I wouldnt be surprised if they do trade them during this offseason... And I dont buy into "Management has said it's very likely Willis and Cabrera will return in 2006"... Why?... Just ask Delgado... Damn you FO! um sorry to crash your emo parade but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if Willis staysy healthy for his career and pitches another 15 full seasons he's going to have 13 with 15 or more wins and he'll win 20 games at least 3-4 more times, and the thing is is that he's capable to win 20 games every year for the next 15 years so don't make ignorant comments like that. and with cabrera, the kid is only getting better. he's up in hitting ranks with albert pujols, joe d, teddy ballgame so you should really educate yourself furthermore. You claim to be Boog... but you are obviously not him.... OF COURSE... i know that Willis and Cabrera are going to have great careers.... and I am certain that he will have many more 20 game seasons... but if you knew anything about baseball... you would know that for his remainder here in South Florida.... chances are that he will not win 20 games again because of the team around him.... He is simply not going to get the run support and defense he needs to win 20 games...and if you think that is going to happen when a team is going to strugle to win 60 games next year, then you got another thing coming.. About Migue.... All i am saying that AS A MARLIN..... this is going to be one of his best seasons as a marlin.....first, he is loosing a lot of protection... he will also be walked ALOT.... and he is not going to get the same RBI opportunities that he did last year.... All I am saying.... that as MARLINS... their stock is as high as they will probably be.... they are young, cheap, and very talented with great 2005 seasons behind them.... i am not saying that they are not great players or that they will not have better seasons.... The way things are going around here, I just will not be surprised if they are traded in the offseason.... even though I would hate it.... Think about what people meant in their post... before you type your arrogant "lack of baseball knowledge" comments...

Reading the line... "Sigining them long term appears unlikely"... makes me think then what is the point of keeping them around. Trust me, no one wants to see those two here more than me... I love those guys. But from a FO perspective, if you they know that they will not be signed long term.... They have to trade them sooner or later..... Right now their value is at their highest... Willis is not going to have another 20 win season... and Migue is a high as can be with his age and ability. I mean, I really dont want to see these two go... Im still depressed about the whole situation... I am just surprised that they have not traded them yet.... Even though I am not advocating this in any way... I wouldnt be surprised if they do trade them during this offseason... And I dont buy into "Management has said it's very likely Willis and Cabrera will return in 2006"... Why?... Just ask Delgado... Damn you FO!

Two Reasons why I am going to the games... 1) I love the sport, regardless if its an all-star or a minor league team playing... 2) This might be the last times I see a MLB game down here.... I HAVE to go and enjoy it while it lasts... Is like if someone you know is dying, and you just want to spend as much time with them as possible... sad but true...

IF we trade Pierre... I want Felix Pie in return... No Exceptions....

My Choice is Tony Pena.... But I REALLY like Girardi's personality, demeanor, and attitude...

Tony Pena.... if not... Girardi

TRADE HIM!!! He is done... He has been super cold for the past season and a half... Scouts have said that he has lost 5mph off his swing... thats huge for a MLB hitter... it is evident that even his doubles that in the past were off the wall, are now just gappers.... Sorry to say this, this is probably another case of steroids.... (just look at Bret Boone) Giambi was a WHOLE different story... Giamby had to go through injuries, diseases, and the steroid admittance media monster.... After all that, I'm surprised he is even in the bigs at this point... Im happy for Giamby...

1..... White Sox... (Frank Thomas is my IDOL) 2..... Oakland (Steinbach and Bash Brothers) 3..... Reds (Chris Sabo and Eric Davis were the sh*t...)

I don't know. On one hand, you could say that he got the 2003 Royals to be a great story, on the other hand, you could say that he allowed the 2004 Royals to be either underachievers or in line with their talent, meaning that either 2003 was a fluke or that Pena just let the guys slack off. However, he's the ani-McKeon in every sense of the word, so if the Marlins are going to take a mulligan on this season and play for a do-over next year, putting Pena in there may be a real "put up or shut up" to the players. Intriguing choice, but not my #1. Listen... you want to know the reason Pena could not do anything with the Royals in '04... Let see... 1) Carlos Beltran only played in 69 games in '04 and hit 15HRs, 51 RBIs, and a .278 avg... 2) Mike Sweeney only played a 106 games.... 3) Look at their average everyday line up... 1B Ken Harvey 2B Tony Graffanino 3B Joe Randa SS Angel Berroa LF Dee Brown CF David DeJesus RF Abraham Nunez DH Mike Sweeney SP Darrell May SP Brian Anderson SP Jimmy Gobble SP Zack Greinke SP Mike Wood CL Jeremy Affedlt -Only SP that had less than an ERA of 5 was Greinke.... not to mention that the player that played the most games was Angel Berroa with 134 games played. The rest of the players averaged 100 games. The reason that Tony Pena quit at the end of the season, was because he knew that the team had absolutely no talent and the team was going no where after trading Beltran.... Pena is an excellent coach.... he showed it in '03 winning AL Manager of the Year... Try coaching at KC and see if you can do any better...

I'm looking for someone to explain to me why everyone wants Tony Pena as a manager. Is he young? Yes. Let's examine what he's done. In 2002 he went 49-77 after taking over the team. In 2003 the team went 83-79, shocking just about everyone in the world. Last year, they went 58-104, and this year, before he resigned, they were 8-25. What does this mean? It means that either 2003 was a complete fluke, or he managed well in 2003 and for some reason couldn't after that. Either way, those are not desirable qualities. If you are so dead set on having a young Latin manager, then bring in Fredi Gonzalez. He knows some of the players and always seemed to fit in in Florida, not to mention he's had to have picked something up from Bobby these last three years. But ideally, in my opinion, Ken Macha is the man this team needs, and you need to look no farther back than this season with the A's. But we will anyway. After Art Howe left Macha rode the A's to a 96-66 record, a first place finish. The leading batting average on this team? Eric Chavez, .282. Miguel Tejada, .278, was next. Their full lines: .282/29/101, .278/27/106. No one had more than 10 stolen bases. Their pitching was a different story, of course. Keith Foulke had 43 saves and a 2.08 ERA and their top four starters had ERAs of 2.70, 3.13, 3.30, and 4.34, with records of 16-7, 14-12, 15-9, and 12-10, respectively. In 2004 the team went 91-71, finishing second but not making the playoffs. Would you believe me when I tell you that on a team that won 91 games, the two leading hitters were Erubiel Durazo and Mark Kotsay? No one hit more than 29 homers or drove in more than 88 runs, but they did have 5 players with 20 or more homers and another two that had 15. Their pitching was mediocre: 4.43, 4.48, 4.71, 3.99, and 3.53, with records of 17-8, 11-11, 11-12, 11-7, and 12-6. Mark Mulder started only 27 games. And then there was this year. Their "disappointing season," as claimed after the closer by ESPN.com, finished at 88-74. The team opened with a 17-32 record and went 71-42 for the last 5 months. Five starters finished with 10 wins. Their records were 12-12, 14-12, 14-13, 10-9, and 10-5, with ERAs of 3.53, 3.73, 3.86, 4.17, and 2.53. Rich Harden (10-5, 2.53) only started 19 games due to injury. Their closer was a rookie who saved 23 games. Their catcher hit NO home runs in 601 ABs, batting .271. Their best hitter, Eric Chavez, hit .269 with a .329 OBP (after a .397 one in 04) with 27 homers and 101 RBI. Nick Swisher hit 21 homers, but he hit .236 along with it. But Macha made it work. Despite the injuries to their top hitter from the previous season, Erubiel Durazo, multiple injuries to their star young shortstop Bobby Crosby, and injuries to arguably their best pitcher in Rich Harden, Macha made it work. Imagine what he could have done with a team where four regulars batted over .300, a leadoff hitter had 57 steals, two hitters had 33 homers and 115 and 116 RBI, and had injuries to a shortstop who hit .264 whose replacement actually ended up with the fourth most home runs on the team, a catcher who hit .283 (but actually had 6 home runs), and all this DESPITE a big name player hitting .236 with 8 home runs. Not to mention a reliever with 40 saves and an ERA under 2 until the last game, a starter with 22 wins and a Cy Young candidate, two other pitchers with 3.38 and 3.44 ERAs, a rookie starter with a 4.03 ERA, and all THAT despite injuries to the opening day closer and set up man, AND a number three starter who pitched in 17 games with an ERA of 6.64. Look at any of the three of those A's teams and tell me the Marlins team of 2005 wasn't better on paper. Macha year after year took players who were not big name stars and turned them into a 90-win ballclub. There's no reason he couldn't do the same here. He's 55 years old, so he's not "old," and he isn't of the same school as McKeon. He'll cost a little over a million...big deal. He'll cost a few thousand more than Pena would. So I ask you...why not Macha? Listen... you want to know the reason Pena could not do anything with the Royals in '04... Let see... 1) Carlos Beltran only played in 69 games in '04 and hit 15HRs, 51 RBIs, and a .278 avg... 2) Mike Sweeney only played a 106 games.... 3) Look at their average everyday line up... 1B Ken Harvey 2B Tony Graffanino 3B Joe Randa SS Angel Berroa LF Dee Brown CF David DeJesus RF Abraham Nunez DH Mike Sweeney SP Darrell May SP Brian Anderson SP Jimmy Gobble SP Zack Greinke SP Mike Wood CL Jeremy Affedlt -Only SP that had less than an ERA of 5 was Greinke.... not to mention that the player that played the most games was Angel Berroa with 134 games played. The rest of the players averaged 100 games. The reason that Tony Pena quit at the end of the season, was because he knew that the team had absolutely no talent and the team was going no where after trading Beltran.... Pena is an excellent coach.... he showed it in '03 winning AL Manager of the Year... Try coaching at KC and see if you can do any better... I state the rest of my case the posting of TONY PENA - New Marlins Skipper...

Give me Pena!

If only it would be the official award.... But nice to see the respect...

This is awesome... Has anyone seen the one in Atlanta... Its amazing.... I actually really happy about this....

I believe he is currently coaching in the Dominican Republic... but I dont think that would be hard to get out of if we indeed go after him.,..

As everyone is talking about Joe Girardi, Lou Pinella, and others for the new skipper spot of the Fish, how bout talking about Tony Pena... As you may recall, Tony Pena was the AL Manager of the Year in 2003 when he took the Royals (yes, the ROYALS) to a record of 83-79. Tony made something special out of nothing. The only players that he had was Beltran and Sweeney, all other players were no names... and the pitching staff was composed of Darrel May, Chris George, Runelvys Hernandez, Kyle Snyder, and Jose Lima... their closer was Mike MacDougal... (yep, i had the same reaction when I read those names) I think he would do a great job here... he is still relatively young, he knows how to win with a low payroll, he is hispanic (fits in with players and community), being an ex-ball player (and considered by many to be one of the most durable and hardest working players ever) can relate well with players, a great people person, and someone who is very easy going yet filled with optimism and excitement.... I found an article they wrote about him during the 2003 season....Read the Article below and tell me you wouldn't mind at least considering this guy for the position.... I love his attitude!!! If it was up to me... he would be the next manager of the Florida Marlins.... Belief and beyond: behind manager Tony Pena, who has taught a young, low-payroll team to have unshakable faith in itself, the Royals continue to flush the notion they can't win - Baseball Joe Posnanski Four months before this wild season began, Royals manager Tony Pena was riding in a van through Puerto Rico with general manager Allard Baird. They were off to see Chris George, one of the many young pitchers the Royals would count on after an offseason of salary dumping. The Royals won only 62 games in 2002. In the salary purge, they still managed to dump 27 of those wins and 26 more saves. "So," Baird said softly, "I heard Chicago got Bartolo Colon." "Colon?" Pena asked. More wonderful news. Colon was the prize of the offseason. He won 20 games with the Indians and Expos in 2002. He and Mark Buehrle figured to give the White Sox a devastating 1-2 pitching punch. The Royals already were being declared dead, long before opening day. Now this. And to top it off, the Royals were to open the season with Chicago. There were a few seconds of silence in the van. Suddenly, Pena smiled and hit Baird in the arm. "OK, baby!" he shouted. "Bartolo Colon on opening day. Let's go!" "We're a fastball-hitting team!" Baird shouted back. "Let's get this thing started," Pena said. "Shock the world." As it turns out, the Royals did not face Colon on opening day. But they beat Buehrle, and the next day, with Colon starting, the Royals won again. And they have pretty much shocked the world ever since. At the moment, Kansas City is in first place in the American League Central. And as remarkable as the story sounds, it actually is much, much more remarkable when you look closer. The Royals have won with the second-lowest payroll in the major leagues, with rookies scattered everywhere, with devastating injuries seemingly happening every other day. On June 18, for instance, the Royals' one true superstar, four-time All-Star Mike Sweeney, felt a shooting pain in his back while he was swinging a bat. He hasn't played since. The day after the injury, the Royals lost to the Twins, 16-2, and dropped two games behind Minnesota. They were pronounced dead yet again, and they finished the month by losing four in a row. The shocker came in July: The Royals won 12 of their first 16 and built a remarkable 7-game lead. "How are you doing it without Sweeney?" Pena was asked by reporters. "Come on, guys," Pena replied with a huge smile. "Before this, you wondered how we were doing it WITH Sweeney." How are they doing it? "Sure, it begins with Pena. You can't give him enough credit," Baird says. "The way he has created belief with this team is absolutely astounding" The Royals began the season with two rookies in the starting lineup, a rookie closer and a rotation that did not have a single 5-game winner on it. Pena picked his opening day starter literally by flipping a coin. Runelvys Hernandez, who won four games in 2002, got heads. Jeremy Affeldt, who won three, got tails. Pena flipped and the coin landed heads. And Hernandez pitched six innings of two-hit ball to win on opening day. That has been the story all year. Pena believes. And his players deliver. "It's just so contagious," Sweeney says. The Royals won the Cactus League in spring training. Then they won their first nine games, the first time that had happened in the majors in 16 years. They won their first 11 home games, the first time that had happened in more than 90 seasons. "We'll go in a slump," Pena said then. "I know that. I'm not worried about it. We're a good team. This is for real." A couple of days after he said that, the Royals blew a seven-run lead in Toronto. After the game, the clubhouse felt like a wake. Pena walked in and saw his players for the first time wondering if maybe they just didn't belong. Pena walked to the middle of the room. He then pumped up the stereo as loud as it would go. "It's just one game, boys!" he shouted as he danced. "Nobody died. We're in first place. Dance a little." "You would follow someone like that anywhere," Sweeney says. The closer got hit with a flying bat. The shortstop hit .215 in the minors last year. The designated hitter has this bizarre motion where he actually wraps one hand over another in mid-swing. The most gifted pitcher keeps getting blisters. And the center fielder has been on the trade market since the season began. Yeah, that pretty much wraps up the team. That closer, Mike MacDougal, was standing in the dugout in late 2001 when Carlos Beltran lost his bat on a swing and it clubbed MacDougal in the head. His skull was fractured, and he lost feeling in his right arm for three months. Even before the injury, MacDougal was considered an enigma. He could throw 100 mph and mix in the nastiest slider in the Royals' system. But he had been surprisingly hittable. After he regained feeling in his arm, he could not throw strikes. The Royals decided to make him a closer. Improbably, everything clicked. He had his first bit of success in the minor leagues. Then he went to Puerto Rico for winter ball, and one scout docked his fastball at 103. The Royals did not re-sign veteran Roberto Hernandez, so the closer's job was MacDougal's. He has had his share of rookie troubles, but he also made the All-Star team and had 24 saves by the break. "Mac is this team," Pena says. "He's young. He's learning. But he will give you everything." Angel Berroa, the rookie shortstop, maybe an even more amazing story. The Royals insisted on getting him from the Athletics in the much-maligned Johnny Damon trade in January 2001. Shortly after the trade, Berroa was found to be more than two years older than advertised. Then he got hurt. Then he hit .215 in Class AAA Omaha and made a bunch of errors. When Berroa showed up for a major league camp in the Dominican Republic, Pena worked him so hard that Berroa became ill on the field. He made 19 errors in his first 63 games this season, most in the A.L. Since June 17, though, he hasn't made an error. He also has been stunning with the bat. He is hitting .286 and is on pace for 19 home runs and 35 doubles. "I know everybody talks about what a genius (Oakland G.M.) Billy Beane is" one scout says. "But Allard Baird absolutely robbed Beane. This guy is one of the best young players in baseball And the Royals got him as a throw-in for Johnny Damon? You have to be kidding me." Ken Harvey, the rookie DH with the odd swing, has been extraordinary in the clutch for the Royals. With runners on, he is hitting .305, and he has delivered five or six of the biggest hits of the season. Jeremy Affeldt is the pitcher with the blister problems. He has a mid-90s fastball and a curve that sometimes resembles Barry Zito's, but every time he seems to get something going, a blister pops on his left middle finger, and it hurts too much to pitch. He has changed his grip, and he hopes that will make the difference. Then there is the Beltran situation. The most talented player on the team is on pace for 92 RBIs and 92 runs scored despite missing the first three weeks with an injury. He also has 30 steals in 31 attempts. Problem is, he's due big money in arbitration before next season, and he can become a free agent after it. It was made clear to Baird by Beltran's agent, Scott Boras, during their offseason that the Royals cannot afford him. "We know where we stand," Baird says. So, everybody around baseball knows Beltran is available for the right price. But what is the right price? At the beginning of the season, it was two top prospects and what Baird called "one more piece to the puzzle." Nobody offered enough. And now, with the Royals leading the race, the price has gone up, at least until the offseason. "We need instant production to replace Carlos, plus someone who can be a star for us in the future" Baird says. "Do I think we'll match up? Maybe not. But we have to keep our options open. We can't lose sight of the long-term goals here." How have all the trade rumors affected the Royals? They're still in first place. "Nothing," outfielder Raul Ibanez says, "distracts this team." There's one more story. And it's a doozy. The Royals were faltering in June, dropping below .500 for the first time. Hernandez and fellow starter Miguel Asencio were injured, and a desperate Baird asked his scouts to find a pitcher. Any pitcher. So, longtime Royals scout Art Stewart called his many friends around baseball. And in Newark, of all places, he came upon a crazy name from the past: Jose Lima. The Royals signed Lima without ever scouting him. Sure, the guy was outlandish--clownish even--but he had won 21 with the Astros in 1999 before long home runs and a fading fastball knocked him out of the game. Why not? They sent Lima to Omaha, but before he could pitch there, another Royals starter, Kyle Snyder, got hurt. Up came Lima. Lima started on a Sunday against the Giants, and the Royals won with a dramatic two-run single in the ninth. Thus began Lima Time. The Royals won his next start, and his next, and his next. In fact, they have won every time he has pitched. Lima has picked up a slider and a two-seam fastball and, after a month and a half, is 6-0 with a 2.42 ERA. "I've been at the bottom," Lima says. "And now I've found my place. I love this team. It's destiny. This team is destiny." Lima pulled a groin muscle in a victory against Seattle on July 17 and had to come out after 5 1/3 innings. He desperately wanted to make his next start, but Pena talked him out of it. "I don't need to be a hero," Lima says. "This team doesn't need me to get hurt anymore. This team needs me in August and September." "And October?" he was asked. "You bet," he said with a big smile on his face. "October, too." Sticking with the Twins OK, I clearly overestimated the Twins when I picked them to win the World Series. And I just as badly underestimated the Royals by picking them--gulp!--30th in my preseason power poll. But enough confessions. I still think the A.L. Central is wide open, and I still think the Twins will win it. That's not to disparage the Royals, who have stolen Minnesota's mojo. Nor is it to discount the White Sox, the most talented team in the division. But the Twin's big-game experience still makes them the safest choice, even though their offense has failed to mature the way I envisioned, and their starting pitching has been a significant disappointment. The Royals remind me of the 1989 Orioles, a team of rookies and rejects that was coming off a 107-loss season. Those Orioles opened a 7 1/2-game lead in mid-July, then gradually faded, finally succumbing to a superior Blue Jays club on the final weekend. No less a fight should be expected of the Royals, provided Mike Sweeney makes a strong recovery from nerve irritation in his neck and back. But unless they add Rangers outfielder Juan Gonzales--a move that is possible if he clears waivers after coming off the disabled list--I think it's going to be difficult for them to maintain their lead. The Royals aren't lacking in established position players--they feature stars like Sweeney and Carlos Beltran and solid veterans such as Raul Ibanez, Joe Randa and Desi Relaford. The problem is, the majority of their pitchers--including ace Runelvys Hernandez and closer Mike MacDougal--have less than two years of major league experience. Their bullpen is the worst in the A.L. and, like the rest of the club, untested in a pennant race. The Royals' record is deceptive. They began the week 31-11 against the A.L. Central and 25-35 against other clubs; the Twins and White Sox, inexplicably, are at .500 in division games. The Royals have outscored their opponents by only two runs, and their on-base and slugging percentages don't reflect a team that ranks fourth in the league in runs scored. Basically, they've taken advantage of the sluggishness of the Twins and Sox and the ineptitude of the Indians and Tigers. For that, they deserve credit. But the numbers suggest they also have been somewhat charmed. I don't love the Twins. They're a slugger short even after adding Shannon Stewart, their middle infield is feeble, and righthanded starter Joe Mays and lefthanded reliever J.C. Romero have deteriorated. I don't love the White Sox, either. Manager Jerry Manuel fails to inspire his players, and the team's remaining schedule includes 17 games against the Yankees, Red Sox, Mariners and A's. The Royals play the Yankees six games, but the Twins face none of those clubs. Then again, the top of Chicago's rotation easily is the division's best. No matter how the race turns out, the Royal's season will be a success; they are ahead of schedule and have gained invaluable experience. I can't see them hanging on, but then, I couldn't see them rallying after they fell five games out on June 14. What do I know? I'm the guy who picked them 30th.--Ken Rosenthal Joe Posnanski is a columnist for the Kamas City Star. COPYRIGHT 2003 Sporting News Publishing Co. COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group

I cant believe people start topics like these.... this is such a waste of server space... Look, I would rather give some young rookie a chance to shine and to show us what he gots, rather than to play Delgado in a meaningless game and subject him to a stupid injury... If Delgado sat down... give him a break... he is the man.... It was not a meaningless game. It was stated by McKeon and the players that it was very important to them to get the win for Dontrelle. All the other healthy regulars started except for Enc and Delgado. I don't think they cared that YOU would have rather seen rookies play. THE REGULARS wanted to play, all except for 2. . . Obviously, you were not at the game, as I was. The team played hard and with great enthusiasm in a situation where they could have packed it in. In the ninth inning, when Hermida tied it, the dugout went wild. The team celebration at the end looked like they just clinched the playoffs. And why is that.... because rookies got a chance to play and show show their stuff... and the only reason that rookies got a chance to start was because veterans (like Delgado) sat.... And I was wrong, the game was indeed not completely meaningless.... but not because so much because of Dontrelle (which I really hope that he beats out Carpenter), but more because we got to see for the last time how much young talent we have on this team for the future. This is especially important because during the off season the FO will have to make some tough desicions on whether to let go, trade, or keep some veterans. They need to determine whether the rookies that we saw in the last game can replace them if we decide to part ways with some veterans. This is the reason that I didnt have a problem with sitting some of the veterans down, including Delgado...

I cant believe people start topics like these.... this is such a waste of server space... Look, I would rather give some young rookie a chance to shine and to show us what he gots, rather than to play Delgado in a meaningless game and subject him to a stupid injury... If Delgado sat down... give him a break... he is the man....

CBS Channel 4 has just reported that Jack is retiring... It said it in their bottom line ticker.... If anyone hears anything else.... post it up...

I just got a sick stomach...

this just hit you.... LOL... He really cant completely heal by playing everyday, but right now he knows that we cant afford to loose him.... so he is playing through the injury.... I just hope that he doesnt hurt himself more by playing...

To say that we lost this game because of Jack and the Cy Young race is STUPID... Dontrelle's pitching count was still low enough that he could go out and complete the game. If in the 8th, he would have been getting roughed up, then I would agree... but the DTrain was cruising... there was no reason to take him out... I would have done the same and sent DTrain to finish it off... and so would have anyone else that knows baseball.... Jack and DTrain do not deserve not one blame for this game... 952155[/snapback] Of course D-Train doesn't, but I think Jack does. At the very least, he should have taken Dontrelle out after he gave up that walk. 952177[/snapback] maybe.... but the truth is that if Luis would have handled the ball at second... they would have had a double play. That leaves a man on third with two outs.... DTrain could have completed the game... Jack is not to blame.... Lets just stop talking about this NIGHTMARE of a game and hope Josh can win this game for us... GO FISH!!!!!

The d train pitches 8 shutout innings of three hit ball and leaves with the lead and LOSES! He has now dropped to 21-9 which is still great, but Carpenter's record is beter and so is his era. If he could have gotten the win with only allowing 1 run, i think dontrelle could have given Carpenter a run for his money. Its really such a shame... hes such a great guy, pitcher, and hitter. Dontrelle can pretty much do it all, but one thing he cant do is make this team play like they are all capable. You konw there is a saying that you should never feel bad for your heros. And yestrday i really felt bad for dontrelle. Im embarrased i wish he were on a better Marlins team. 952226[/snapback] idiot...