LetsGoFish

I'll be there too, sec 144.

I'll be there tomorrow behind home plate somewhere.

if we split the series 2-2 im gonna be so angry Why? I would take a split Not me, split don't help

To have any chance, we're going to have to turn Philly into our punching bag... Thats how we did it in 2003. Philly was our bitch. Thats exactly what we need again. Exactly, and we need some sweeps!

seems he does better from the stretch.

why don't we worry about all that in the offseason, let's think about this year and NOW.

the NHC is still predicting it to be a storm when it gets here. also my school is making us go today... LAAAAAAAME. It won't be the first time the NHC downgrades a storm and then it is the opposite.

One reason. Beinfest!

I think Conine's throw is #1

Most are the real deal and the "future of the malrins" until the marlins can't afford them. Right now there is no one on the marlins that I would say is the "future of the marlins" pass their free agency year.

You guys are giving Willis less and less value each day just because he isn't pitching like last year. Remember on 2003 when he started great and he didn't made the playoffs as a starter. Look at the willis of last year a little more and not the one from this year. What he did last year isn't a fluck, plus he's still young and a left hander. Now because the other great rookies are doing great you are gonna say willis is less than them? Give him a break, in my opinion he's just trying to hard.

they were also talking about the NL wildcard and they mentioned something about the reds and he mentioned that the marlins are right there in the race.

August 25th

What about petit and vargas. We know vargas can be here consistently and he will be here again in the future, I think he was rush up a little last year. And petit was considered one of our top prospects so we have plenty of talent to go shopping in any direction.

Last time he hit none so I don't know why people thought it will be so different this time around.

thanks for teh updates..cable company couldnt' have picked a better time to screw around with the connection...world cup, now all star weekend. Watch it online if you have broadband. http://www.streamick.com/cc/

great too see cabrera on the derby and then in the ASG.

All of the above.

Interesting to see the reasons of everyone here. The reasons I see are the reaons that each of you have for not going to a game rather than a general reason for 15k+ people at least. The fact that you are here in a marlins message board makes you an above average fan and whatever are our reasons it doesn't take into account below average fans which are around 60-70% of attendance. So, if we really want real reasons we need casual fans opinions too. Why casual fans don't go to more games a year? Simple, money. For most of us above average fans money could be an issue but is probably less significant that for casual fans. Many of us here will rather spend 20 bucks at the ballpark than going out to eat or do something else but that's not the case for casual fans. And add the fact that 80% of south florida residents are hispanic who mainly come here for a better life and are "surviving" and you get a negative mix. Do you think a family will go to a ballgame and spend 50-100 when they're so tight up they can barely pay their bills? There are MANY in that situation here in south florida. Take that into account and ask hispanic people why they don't go to marlins games even though they like baseball and you will get some interesting answers/reasons.

can we close this thread. I think is clearly now that this didn't happened.

I posted this on the game thread but here is again. Willis last 6 starts: 8 IP, 1 ER 7 IP, 2 ER 6 IP, 2 ER 8 IP, 2 ER 9 IP, 2 ER 9 IP, 1 ER ERA: 1.91

What does Borchard has to do to get a little love from some of you? Every time he hit it out is a big HR for us.

Thanks for the info 2003, very informative. Here is other info relevant to this thread that could also help. Salaries and Arbitration A player may not make less than the league minimum of $200,000. Players with one or two years of service time and players between two and three years of service time (except for the 17% with the most service time) can have their contracts renewed automatically by the team if they cannot come to an agreement. When renewing a contract, a team cannot reduce a player's pay by more than 20% from the prior year or 30% from the year before that. Players with 3, 4, or 5 years of service time and the top 17% of the 2 year players may opt for arbitration in order to come to a contract. The club' proposal may not be less than 80% of the player's salary the previous year. The exception here is that if a player won an arbitration award the prior year that resulted in a 50% or greater salary increase, there is no maximum paycut allowed in the proposal. Arguments that are not allowed in an arbitration hearing include the state of the team's finances, previous offers made during salary negotiations between the player and the team, any press comments or testimonials with the exception of media-supported awards like the MVP Award or salaries in other sports or occupations. A player with a non-guaranteed contract or an arbitration award may be released up until the 15th day of spring training with 30 days' pay or from the 16th day of spring training until the opening of the season with 45 days' pay. When a player is claimed on waivers, the new team takes on the contract. When a player is released in the middle of a guaranteed contract, the new team only has to pay league minimum with the old team footing the rest of the bill. Free Agency and Compensation A player that has accrued 6 complete years or more of service time at the end of a season and does not have a contract is eligible for filing for free agency, after which the player can sign with any team he wants. To receive compensation for a player that signs with another team, the team must offer the player salary arbitration. The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by December 7 or will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has until December 19 to either accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until January 7th, after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1. The compensation formula is based off a negotiated formula, heavy on triple crown stats, for the previous 2 seasons. Type A players are those that rank in the top 30% of his position. Type B players are those that rank below top 30% but still in the top 50%. Type C players are those that rank in the top 60% but not the top 50%. A type players fetch the 1st-round draft pick of teams in the top half of W-L record or a 2nd-round draft pick of teams in the bottom half of W-L record and an additional pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds. B types don't get the sandwich pick and C type players fetch a sandwich between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The higher the player's ranking in the compensation formula, the higher priority the old team gets in acquiring draft picks. Something that's never mentioned is that there are still limits to the type of free agents that teams may sign. If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota. Major League free agents come with an automatic no-trade clause until after the next June 15.

All I'm saying is that d-train attitude and what he's teaching this young guys can't be replaced. Sure, you can get very good prospects for him but we have seen already specially last year that talent is not the only key to a good team when there is no chemistry and players are not happy.

It is pointless to trade for prospect if D-Train and Cabrera are very young. With a 15M payroll, don't you think that is low enough???? if he were to be traded it wouldnt be about payroll it would be about someone giving up guys that could get us to our goal much quicker, our goal being a 2008 playoffs and 2009 WS. With our stock pile of pitching makes the ability to move willis possible if we get back a CF (elite), Catcher (elite) and another position prospect. Does anyone really want to trade willis? No, but if we can get some team to give us 4 top 50 prospects for him? It would be hard to pass up if you can get 3 future all stars back. miggy on the other hand is a never to be traded player, I dont care if we were offered puljos, I would say no. You should know better. What happens if any of those rookies starters JJ, Ding, or any other get really good just like dontrelle and they trade them too 2/3 years down the road? If you are thinking of the future and how good we can be also think of other possibilities.