Ramp Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 so now the next David Ortiz can play with THE David Ortiz via waivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Mr. Choi's going to love Fenway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Mr. Choi's going to love Fenway. Good work, Theo! :bangdesk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanks1212 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 great pickup for the Red Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flguy435 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skully Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I don't get this move.... They now have Youkilis, Snow, and Choi..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Who cares about batting average when he can get on at a .350 clip and hit for power. The guy could already be a very productive 1st baseman at this point of his career, and he has the potential to be a prolific power hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Who cares about batting average when he can get on at a .350 clip and hit for power. The guy could already be a very productive 1st baseman at this point of his career, and he has the potential to be a prolific power hitter. J.T. Snow- career .357 OBP, 6 Gold Gloves. Kevin Youkilis- career .376 OBP both have significantly higher batting averages (you can't tell me BA doesn't matter), and were already on the team. pointless move for the sox. choi will get some 80 at bats this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamarlins3 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 If he ever got a tiny bit of consistency he may be good. Fenway should help him a little bit. Problem is he will have 2 amazing weeks where he goes on a tear followed by a month and a half where he hits 1 homer with 3 RBI batting near .200. I personally think he is vastly overrated on this board but I do agree he has the potential to be a productive everyday first baseman, but really nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'm amazed he fell all the way to the Red Sox on the waiver wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flguy435 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Who cares about batting average when he can get on at a .350 clip and hit for power. The guy could already be a very productive 1st baseman at this point of his career, and he has the potential to be a prolific power hitter. J.T. Snow- career .357 OBP, 6 Gold Gloves. Kevin Youkilis- career .376 OBP both have significantly higher batting averages (you can't tell me BA doesn't matter), and were already on the team. pointless move for the sox. choi will get some 80 at bats this season. Age also matters. JT is on the wrong side of his career. Also want to compare what JT is costing the Sox this year versus what HSC will? Also 6 GG? Choi had a better range factor than JT last year and they both had the same fielding percentage. JT also has no power, he had 4 whole hrs last year. Choi had 100 points better SLG. JT's OBP was only .007 better than Choi's last year. OBP is a better measure than BA because the goal is to get on base anyway you can walk or hit. Also Kevin is more of a 3B so I don't see how that affects Choi, that would affect Lowell more than anyone else when it comes to playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Who cares about batting average when he can get on at a .350 clip and hit for power. The guy could already be a very productive 1st baseman at this point of his career, and he has the potential to be a prolific power hitter. J.T. Snow- career .357 OBP, 6 Gold Gloves. Kevin Youkilis- career .376 OBP both have significantly higher batting averages (you can't tell me BA doesn't matter), and were already on the team. pointless move for the sox. choi will get some 80 at bats this season. Why did you take Marlins_Giants arguement, and go away from your original statement? As far as the Red Sox not needing Choi I agree with Marlins_Giants, I'm just saying Choi should be an every day 1st baseman right now, and has the potential to be a top of the line power hitter down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is with this guy? No one wants to hold onto him. He is cheap, plays solid D, and can hit for power. He isn't bad at making a pitcher work either. Whoever tries and work with him and actually uses him in the lineup will be rewarded. He will never have a good career if he is in a new place basically every year. a .240 career batting average begs to differ. Who cares about batting average when he can get on at a .350 clip and hit for power. The guy could already be a very productive 1st baseman at this point of his career, and he has the potential to be a prolific power hitter. J.T. Snow- career .357 OBP, 6 Gold Gloves. Kevin Youkilis- career .376 OBP both have significantly higher batting averages (you can't tell me BA doesn't matter), and were already on the team. pointless move for the sox. choi will get some 80 at bats this season. Why did you take Marlins_Giants arguement, and go away from your original statement? As far as the Red Sox not needing Choi I agree with Marlins_Giants, I'm just saying Choi should be an every day 1st baseman right now, and has the potential to be a top of the line power hitter down the road. I just don't see him in as kind an eye as most people on this board, honestly. He is too streaky of a hitter to play everyday. As we saw when he played for the Fish, (and as Flamarlins3 said), he can have a week of never getting out, and then three of never getting on. I'm a JT Snow fan, which is I guess why I took on Marlins_Giants argument. Not saying Choi is straight up BAD, but man does this board hold him up on an undeserved pedestal, or what? EDIT: and I know OBP is a better stat than BA, but you can't take batting average for granted, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Lowell just lost his job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Lowell just lost his job... Probably. Youklis and Choi should put Lowell out of p.t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 As if they had any work to do, but the Red Sox have pretty much locked down second favorite team status for life with all their moves this offseason. 80,000 ex-Marlins, Wily Mooooo, and Hip Hop? BRILLIANT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>:( Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Mr. Choi's going to love Fenway. Hee Sopp is a good player but he's very streaky. With the depth the Red Sox have, I doubt he's going to be a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Holy $hit. I challenge anyone to name a team with a better off-season haul then Mr. Epstein has assembled. We have alot of different options at alot of positions and at places that were areas of weakness last year. If we re-acquire 'Belli I will fly up to Boston and pleasure Theo with my feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hee Seop Choi is the worse 1st baseman ever to play for the Marlins not to to forget we even had Oreste Destrades...Oh well the best of luck to him. I love the red Sox I hope the Red Sox can get some production out of him. They should be trading for someone else very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flguy435 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hee Seop Choi is the worse 1st baseman ever to play for the Marlins not to to forget we even had Oreste Destrades You're right the approximate .230/.320/.380 line and 25 HRs Orestes put up in 192 games as a Marlin is a lot better than Choi's .270/.388/.495 line and 15 HRs Choi put up in 95 games as a Marlin. Let's not forget Orestes's 25 errors as a Marlin to Choi's 8. Why do people feel the need to knock Choi down? He makes basically the minimum while could be a solid starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Orestes Destrade Hitting Stats Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG 1987 Yankees 9 19 5 5 0 0 0 0 1 5 0 5 0 0 0 1 .263 .417 .263 1988 Pirates 36 47 2 7 1 0 1 0 3 5 0 17 0 1 0 0 .149 .226 .234 1993 Marlins 153 569 61 145 20 3 20 0 87 58 8 130 1 6 3 17 .255 .324 .406 1994 Marlins 39 130 12 27 4 0 5 0 15 19 1 32 0 1 2 2 .208 .316 .354 Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG 4 Years 237 765 80 184 25 3 26 0 106 87 9 184 1 8 5 20 .241 .319 .383 Orestes Destrade Fielding Stats Team POS G GS OUTS TC TC/G CH PO A E DP PB CASB CACS FLD% RF ZR 1987 Yankees 1B 3 - - 21 7.0 21 20 1 0 2 n/a n/a n/a 1.000 0.00 - 1987 Yankees DH 2 - 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 - - - .000 0.00 0.000 1988 Pirates 1B 8 - - 63 7.9 63 61 2 0 3 n/a n/a n/a 1.000 0.00 - 1993 Marlins 1B 152 - - 1,422 9.4 1,403 1,313 90 19 109 n/a n/a n/a .987 0.00 - 1994 Marlins 1B 37 - - 298 8.1 293 274 19 5 29 n/a n/a n/a .983 0.00 - Career POS G GS OUTS TC TC/G CH PO A E DP PB CASB CACS FLD% RF ZR 4 Years 4 202 - 0 1,804 8.9 1,780 1,668 112 24 143 - - - .987 0.00 0 Hee-Seop Choi Hitting Stats Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG 2002 Cubs 24 50 6 9 1 0 2 0 4 7 0 15 0 0 0 2 .180 .281 .320 2003 Cubs 80 202 31 44 17 0 8 0 28 37 1 71 2 0 4 2 .218 .350 .421 2004 Marlins 95 281 48 76 16 1 15 0 40 52 4 78 2 2 3 4 .270 .388 .495 2004 Dodgers 31 62 5 10 5 0 0 0 6 11 2 18 0 2 1 2 .161 .289 .242 2005 Dodgers 133 320 40 81 15 2 15 1 42 34 1 80 2 4 8 10 .253 .336 .453 Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG 4 Years 363 915 130 220 54 3 40 1 120 141 8 262 6 8 16 20 .240 .349 .437 Hee-Seop Choi Fielding Stats Team POS G GS OUTS TC TC/G CH PO A E DP PB CASB CACS FLD% RF ZR 2002 Cubs 1B 22 12 377 116 5.3 114 106 8 2 16 n/a n/a n/a .983 8.16 0.800 2003 Cubs 1B 69 55 1,514 568 8.2 563 523 40 5 46 n/a n/a n/a .991 10.04 0.860 2003 Cubs PH 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2003 Cubs PR 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2004 Marlins 1B 89 79 2,138 769 8.6 761 720 41 8 59 n/a n/a n/a .990 9.61 0.836 2004 Marlins PH 7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2004 Dodgers 1B 23 19 465 172 7.5 171 161 10 1 19 n/a n/a n/a .994 9.93 0.889 2004 Dodgers PH 8 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2005 Dodgers 1B 83 78 665 762 9.2 760 698 62 2 59 n/a n/a n/a .997 30.86 0.854 Career POS G GS OUTS TC TC/G CH PO A E DP PB CASB CACS FLD% RF ZR 4 Years 5 317 243 5,159 2,387 7.5 2,369 2,208 161 18 199 - - - .992 12.40 4 Well I may be too tough on Choi but we did trade D-Lee for him which makes him suck even worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 17% of the current Red Sox 25 man roster is made up of former Marlins :plain. Beckett, Clement, Choi, Seabass, Lowell, Tavarez..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 17% of the current Red Sox 25 man roster is made up of former Marlins :plain. Beckett, Clement, Choi, Seabass, Lowell, Tavarez..... Seanez And by my count, that's 28% not 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Worst trade the marlins ever made? Lee for Choi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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