Schnellders Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 For those still hoping for a reunion: The Detroit News' Lynn Henning expects the Tigers to release left-hander Dontrelle Willis before spring training is through. Willis has allowed just one run and five hits over 10 innings this spring, but it's probably too little too late. His fastball has not once topped 89 MPH in a Grapefruit League game and the Tigers have a fairly talented crew of pitchers set to head north once camp breaks. The 28-year-old Willis is sure to get a look elsewhere, but we're thinking he's probably finished. I wouldnt mind taking him back for a minimum contract incase he finds his old spark back in familiar surroundings, but that certainly doesn't sound promising about his speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridafly Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 As much as I love D-Train... I don't think we should take him back if he can't top 89 on his fastball. New surroundings aren't going to change that, unless a pitching coach can work a miracle and get that velocity back up to what it once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosnianBaller_ Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 if he is released i think his first choice would be to come back to the marlins. they could keep him in the minors for a month or so and if he still sucks then just let him go. if he is doing well and our rotation is shaky then bring him up and give him a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a shot here in the minors. It never hurts to have more pitching depth, and who knows, maybe he finds his old self again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Why not? I wouldn't mind letting him stand in front of the Hayden Penn's of the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ns2003 Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Why not? I wouldn't mind letting him stand in front of the Hayden Penn's of the organization. LOL i totally agree. I'd take him in a heartbeat, it wouldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I think the Marlins will take a shot at him. I don't blame them if it's only a minor league deal. It's a amazing how far that guy fell in five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I wouldn't buy into this a whole lot. It's just some beat writer speculating. He even said in his own report that "there is no indication from the Tigers that any such move is likely." My guess is that the Tigers keep him around for depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I would give him a shot on a minor league or league-minimum deal, since the Tigers would be paying the tab. He MIGHT have something left in the tank, although it's a long shot. Still, with our uncertain pitching situation, I would take the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I'd rather have a bad player that I like than a bad player that I dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishheatcats Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'd rather have a bad player that I like than a bad player that I dont. Amen to that. The D-Train is still one of my favorite all time players. Whether he's having a good or bad game/season, that guy is 110% effort. If he does get released by the Tigers I'd love to see the Fish offer him a deal. Give him a minor league deal, hand him the ball and say "get out there and have fun". Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin2266 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 [ he could always hit a little - like ankiel.......... wonder if he could play a little 1B for someone (probably not us)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 [ he could always hit a little - like ankiel.......... wonder if he could play a little 1B for someone (probably not us)? I like your thinking. We need a lefty bat off the bench, and Dontrelle can provide a little pop...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 His problem is that his limited success has always been a result of a deceptive delivery. He had obvious anxiety problems and only okay stuff. He's a pitching coach's worst nightmare. It wouldn't hurt to bring him back to Miami because he would likely be most comfortable there, but I'm skeptical that he ever gets past this. I think he would have a better future converting himself to a position player than he would trying to sort out his sloppy mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 He could make a decent reliever even with an 89 MPH fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 If he has other pitches, can change speeds, and has command over the location his pitches. I haven't seen him pitch much since he left the Marlins, but there is no certainty that he is capable of doing that. I don't even know if there is a pitching coach in baseball that can straighten him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Yeah, he just needs two pitches that he can command for strikes to be an effective relief pitcher. A fastball and slider combo would be fine if he can throw both pitches for strikes. There are plenty of decent relievers that only have one pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 It would be such a waste of talent to convert him to a reliever. He's always had three strong pitches, throw him in the triple-A rotation and let him work it out. I feel like Florida could certainly help his head clear, and the rest might certainly follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I am all for that. I read the other day that his heater was in the 91-93 MPH range. That's a good range for him if he has good control of all his pitches. He doesn't need to throw 95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If he has other pitches, can change speeds, and has command over the location his pitches. This, right here. Really, any pitcher can be successful if they do this correctly, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 It depends mostly on command and the quality of the stuff. He has three pitches already, but the slider and the changeup weren't very good. Willis has put up good numbers in the past, but many attribute this to a deceptive delivery that took hitters a couple of seasons to figure out. Based on his performance from 2007 forward, I'm a bit hesistant to say that Willis will be a dominant relief pitcher. He has a battle ahead of him. It will take one hell of a pitching coach to straighten out his mechanics and teach him new ways to get batters out. Given Willis' anxiety issues, he might also not be the best guy to put into a game with runners on base. Either his psychiatrists get that under control or else his potential bullpen roles would be pretty limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Perhaps his anxiety came about because of his poor performance and not because he would get nervous with guys on base. I would imagine it is hard to deal with a real downturn in a career. The guy finished 2nd in Cy Young voting in 2005 and then he was demoted to A ball. I would think that's the real issue. Not dealing with guys on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Anyone's guess is as good as mine is, but I find that highly improbable. His waning career might have triggered him to go on the DL, but Willis has always appeared to be a nervous headcase. His overall body language and rapid fire throwing approach are signs of someone who doesn't have confidence on the mound. He imploded heavily in the 2003 playoffs and I would guess much of that has to do with the magnitude of the situation. He has also pitched poorly on the road in San Francisco and many have speculated that this might have been the result of pressure of having his family in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Doesn't sound like Detroit is releasing him. Actually, I've read that he looks to be in line to be the fifth starter over Bonderman and Robertson. Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Anyone's guess is as good as mine is, but I find that highly improbable. His waning career might have triggered him to go on the DL, but Willis has always appeared to be a nervous headcase. His overall body language and rapid fire throwing approach are signs of someone who doesn't have confidence on the mound. He imploded heavily in the 2003 playoffs and I would guess much of that has to do with the magnitude of the situation. He has also pitched poorly on the road in San Francisco and many have speculated that this might have been the result of pressure of having his family in attendance. Who knows? I am certainly not a psychiatrist (and I gather you aren't either). The implosion in the 2003 plays could have happened because he was tired at the end of the season. It was the first time he had pitched into September, much less October. As for his outings in SF, he's pitched how many times there? Maybe 4 or 5. Could be random. Statistically, I would not infer anything from 4 or 5 games. In addition, I do recall he pitched quite well towards the end of 2005 when the Marlins were in the playoff hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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