Iowa Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 via Joe Capozzi Wes Helms tells 790 radio he'd like to play at least 3 more years including '11 then may retire, pursue coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Erick just had an aneurysm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Professionalism at it's finest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Of course he wants to play 3 more years. Why not try to cash in? If in 2011 Helms puts up numbers like he did last season, the Marlins shouldn't even offer him a contract. I think many players of his age putting up those 2010 numbers would have been forced into retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 :mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 cash in on what? the past 4 seasons he has a combined -1.8 WAR. he's lucky he has a contract and should be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 cash in on what? the past 4 seasons he has a combined -1.8 WAR. he's lucky he has a contract and should be cut. Cash in on the fact that the Marlins seem willing to give him $1MM/year contracts without any hesitation. They didn't even wait for the 2010 season to be over before offering him a contract, despite his horrible numbers. So he's basically cashing in on his "professionalism." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 cash in on what? the past 4 seasons he has a combined -1.8 WAR. he's lucky he has a contract and should be cut. Cash in on the fact that the Marlins seem willing to give him $1MM/year contracts without any hesitation. They didn't even wait for the 2010 season to be over before offering him a contract, despite his horrible numbers. So he's basically cashing in on his "professionalism." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I personally never understood the reasons why the front office has such a hard-on for Uncle Wes - even T-Hut and Rich have a thing for the guy. I understand that he's a "great clubhouse" guy but find a role for him somewhere that doesn't take up a roster space or let him take up roster space on another team. It seems like every season he's the very first contract announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Hopefully the FO sees the value of someone like Greg Dobbs a lefty swinger that can play the corners, is a veteran and has the experience of playing on a WS winner over "Uncle Wes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Uncle Wes is comfortable with the FO, that is why is here and will probably remain here for the next 3 years. They like him and he likes them (beside his rant against them in 2007 when he left for Philly), and they are obviously grooming him as their next FO puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Uncle Wes is comfortable with the FO, that is why is here and will probably remain here for the next 3 years. They like him and he likes them (beside his rant against them in 2007 when he left for Philly), and they are obviously grooming him as their next FO puppet.  I really doubt he plays 3 more years. But I want to see how he does this year when they have a lefty off the bench option to use with him, unlike last year. For one reason or another, people tend to forget the reasons for his offensive slide last season. "FO puppet"? Not even real sure what that is supposed to mean. I do think the team will offer him a job within the org when he does decide to hang em up. And I do believe he would make a pretty good coach. But him being a righty off the bench, his $1 mil contract, and being a 3B/1B replacement player is far down on the list of worries going into ST, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 unless wes puts up numbers like he did his first year with us, he needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 But him being a righty off the bench, his $1 mil contract, and being a 3B/1B replacement player is far down on the list of worries going into ST, IMO. Agreed. Surprisingly he hit .359 w/RISP last season... those are pretty good peripherals for a pinch hitter so hopefully he can get back to where he was as a PH two seasons ago. And as we all know, PHing is a fickle art so there is a chance. Just don't want to see him getting a bunch of starts at 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 But him being a righty off the bench, his $1 mil contract, and being a 3B/1B replacement player is far down on the list of worries going into ST, IMO. Agreed. Surprisingly he hit .359 w/RISP last season... those are pretty good peripherals for a pinch hitter so hopefully he can get back to where he was as a PH two seasons ago. And as we all know, PHing is a fickle art so there is a chance. Just don't want to see him getting a bunch of starts at 3rd. RISP is the exact opposite of a peripheral stat. It doesn't inform as to the expectations of his overall success; it merely notes a small set of manifested outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 But him being a righty off the bench, his $1 mil contract, and being a 3B/1B replacement player is far down on the list of worries going into ST, IMO. Agreed. Surprisingly he hit .359 w/RISP last season... those are pretty good peripherals for a pinch hitter so hopefully he can get back to where he was as a PH two seasons ago. And as we all know, PHing is a fickle art so there is a chance. Just don't want to see him getting a bunch of starts at 3rd.  This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 But him being a righty off the bench, his $1 mil contract, and being a 3B/1B replacement player is far down on the list of worries going into ST, IMO. Agreed. Surprisingly he hit .359 w/RISP last season... those are pretty good peripherals for a pinch hitter so hopefully he can get back to where he was as a PH two seasons ago. And as we all know, PHing is a fickle art so there is a chance. Just don't want to see him getting a bunch of starts at 3rd. RISP is the exact opposite of a peripheral stat. It doesn't inform as to the expectations of his overall success; it merely notes a small set of manifested outcomes. And also...this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 If you care about how he will perform as a pinch hitter, why not look at his numbers as a pinch hitter? RISP isn't really the best indicator of that, because one would argue that some of that success (in fact, probably a large part of it), comes from Helms being a starter. Helms in 48 PH plate appearances: .114/.188/.182/.369 That's with 4 walks, and 17 strikeouts. So if we don't want him starting at third base and he proved to be a terrible pinch hitter in 2010, why do we want him at all? Oh, I guess somebody needs to hang Coghlan's spikes from the ceiling. The roster spot means more than the money does to me. In the NL in particular, it is important to have a deep bench. Having someone on the bench with Helms' numbers is a huge waste of space and hurts the team in those late inning situations where someone needs to get on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 I'm not looking forward to arguing over someone as meaningless to our team's success as Helms but I'll just say a few things. All I'm saying is you want a PH who can hit with RISP, so whatever on the peripheral part. 3 of his 4 years here he has hit over .300 as a PH, something that is pretty impressive. Like I said, PH is a fickle art.. some of the best ever at it (im guessing) had down years as a PH.. so all I'm saying is... I don't expect him to be a world beater as a PH but it won't surprise me if he ends up being a pretty good one. Its not something you can forecast but he has shown that he can do it. Again, just don't give a bunch of starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Baseball is a fickle game. After an off-year (for whatever reason(s) justified or not) it wouldn't be surprising if Helms gets a few key hits and is a hero every so often. That said, even if he does it'll be hard to justify any contract at all beyond this year. If he plays even an inning in '13 I'll have to conclude that he has pictures of someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Perhaps it is his high leverage numbers that they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'm glad this team can be surrounded by such professionalism. This team owes so much to Wes Helms. Like... that one walk-off HR in Milwaukee.   And... and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm glad this team can be surrounded by such professionalism. This team owes so much to Wes Helms. Like... that one walk-off HR in Milwaukee.  And... and... We can walk off on the road now? :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm glad this team can be surrounded by such professionalism. This team owes so much to Wes Helms. Like... that one walk-off HR in Milwaukee.  And... and... We can walk off on the road now? :o His professionalism is that strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm glad this team can be surrounded by such professionalism. This team owes so much to Wes Helms. Like... that one walk-off HR in Milwaukee.  And... and... We can walk off on the road now? :o His professionalism is that strong. Is it possible to gain this professionalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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