CyggyMarlin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 TIme to go to Philly and send those Ph*ckers a message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 People voted the bullpen because we've seen Coghlan make amazing catches and get some hits before. Last season, we lost because of injuries and a terrible bullpen mostly. It's just amazing how much of a turnaround trading for Webb/Mujica/Dunn and signing Choate did. We've gone from the worst bullpen in baseball to a top 10 'pen. And one of the most used. SPs are going to have to go deeper into games or this pen will wear down rather quickly. Learn from your past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Edwin did a nice job from what I saw, yeah. And he pinch-hit with Helms, which worked out really well. Well, it didn't take a genius to do that, so I won't give him credit for that move. So you're saying you would have put Helms in at that time? Sorry, not buying into that one. Like has been stated so many times....A reliable lefty off the bench will make Helms look better this year over last year when we didn't have one. Another nice move Edwin made was the defensive replacement of Cousins in RF. Worked out good. He out-managed Freddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 So here we are going into the series with Philly. Last night we used 5 guys from the pen. On the other hand, Halladay and Lee have back-to-back complete games so their bullpen is extremely well rested. We are going to need some good pitching performances this series or they might win the battle of the bullpens by the end of the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Freddi also has Heyward batting 6th. :confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I don't have any issue with post-game threads being made into a poll (for real), but does anyone else think that debating who was the "Fish of the game" is a pretty pointless activity? It's not a big deal for me, but it just seems to be a meaningless exercise. However, it is getting tiresome seeing people responding to these threads basically stating their vote ("Hanley," "bull-pen," etc.) and not engaging in or provoking any kind of meaningful discussion. It just seems like there could be much more interesting things to discuss than who was the best performer in a game that the Marlins won. lol People seem to like it.. so get of your high horse killjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Freddi also has Heyward batting 6th. :confused Yea.. that still doesn't make sense to me. If I were them, I'd trot out a lineup of Prado, Chipper, Heyward, McCann, Uggla, Freeman, Gonzalez, McClouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 People voted the bullpen because we've seen Coghlan make amazing catches and get some hits before. Last season, we lost because of injuries and a terrible bullpen mostly. It's just amazing how much of a turnaround trading for Webb/Mujica/Dunn and signing Choate did. We've gone from the worst bullpen in baseball to a top 10 'pen. And one of the most used. SPs are going to have to go deeper into games or this pen will wear down rather quickly. Learn from your past. I mean yes, but at the same time we have 70 innings just waiting to get called up with Badenhop and some very good potential replacements with Cishek, Koehler, Marinez, Ceda, etc, who could all be 6-7 guys in the pen more than likely with upside. The starters do need to handle a little more time, but I think they have learned from this also and have a very deep bullpen extending into AAA. I think this is a "good problem." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 People voted the bullpen because we've seen Coghlan make amazing catches and get some hits before. Last season, we lost because of injuries and a terrible bullpen mostly. It's just amazing how much of a turnaround trading for Webb/Mujica/Dunn and signing Choate did. We've gone from the worst bullpen in baseball to a top 10 'pen. And one of the most used. SPs are going to have to go deeper into games or this pen will wear down rather quickly. Learn from your past. I mean yes, but at the same time we have 70 innings just waiting to get called up with Badenhop and some very good potential replacements with Cishek, Koehler, Marinez, Ceda, etc, who could all be 6-7 guys in the pen more than likely with upside. The starters do need to handle a little more time, but I think they have learned from this also and have a very deep bullpen extending into AAA. I think this is a "good problem." This. For once, we have actual bullpen depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 nice game from the pen. Nunez is going to really hurt us this year if they keep letting him close. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunMarlin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not worried about the pen being tired. A pitcher ought to be able to throw 5 innings a week, even if they are in consecutive days. These guys are babied too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not worried about the pen being tired. A pitcher ought to be able to throw 5 innings a week, even if they are in consecutive days. These guys are babied too much. You can think whatever you want, but we've seen these guys struggle if they are used 3, 4, 5 straight nights. And then you eventually end up with situations like Feliciano, who's out for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunMarlin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not worried about the pen being tired. A pitcher ought to be able to throw 5 innings a week, even if they are in consecutive days. These guys are babied too much. You can think whatever you want, but we've seen these guys struggle if they are used 3, 4, 5 straight nights. And then you eventually end up with situations like Feliciano, who's out for the year. I think more often than not, these struggles are mental. They feel they are being 'pushed' and therefore are more apt to be mentally out of it, and subsequently physically more tired. However, if the mind set of being able to pitch every day was instilled in these players in the minor leagues and earlier in their big league careers, this wouldn't be such a problem. Granted, I have never pitched a day in my life...but throwing a curveball is the same today as it was 30 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not worried about the pen being tired. A pitcher ought to be able to throw 5 innings a week, even if they are in consecutive days. These guys are babied too much. You can think whatever you want, but we've seen these guys struggle if they are used 3, 4, 5 straight nights. And then you eventually end up with situations like Feliciano, who's out for the year. I think more often than not, these struggles are mental. They feel they are being 'pushed' and therefore are more apt to be mentally out of it, and subsequently physically more tired. However, if the mind set of being able to pitch every day was instilled in these players in the minor leagues and earlier in their big league careers, this wouldn't be such a problem. Granted, I have never pitched a day in my life...but throwing a curveball is the same today as it was 30 years ago. Even if you're right, this probably isn't something that can be changed quickly. The babying would likely have been going on since high school, so I'm not sure their bodies could even handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Ramos Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I don't have any issue with post-game threads being made into a poll (for real), but does anyone else think that debating who was the "Fish of the game" is a pretty pointless activity? It's not a big deal, but it just seems to be a meaningless exercise. However, it is getting tiresome seeing people responding to these threads basically stating their vote ("Hanley," "bull-pen," etc.) and not engaging in or provoking any kind of meaningful discussion. It just seems like there could be much more interesting things to discuss than who was the best performer in a game that the Marlins won. Well, I thought Edwin Rodriguez outmanaged Fredi Gonzalez tonight. I thought it was stupid that Fredi had his lefty pitch to John Buck with men in scoring position late in the game, when Buck's splits clearly show that he was much better against lefties last year. Edwin, on the other hand, used his lefty specialist early which was right, even though it didn't work. I also loved the way he used Dunn in the 8th to get McCann, instead of doing the "I must go to Clay Hensley because he's my 8th inning guy" line of thinking. /baseballtalk Agree with this. Also, nice to see Nolasco settling down after the bad first inning, Morrison is still on fire, Hanley and Coghlan are starting to hit, and Nunez capped off a beautiful performance by the bullpen with an easy 9th inning. That's our baseball talk. Time for some music. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 W..T..F... is this!? Why why does does does she repeat every every every freaking freaking word word word! What an awful song. Sounds like an 8 year old girl wrote this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColorNapkin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Someone hasn't blown a save yet My heart jumped out of my throat on that Freeman hit to Cousins.. but it was nice to see him calm down after that. Just wish he would stop giving up lead off hits. Takes months off my life :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColorNapkin Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm not worried about the pen being tired. A pitcher ought to be able to throw 5 innings a week, even if they are in consecutive days. These guys are babied too much. You can think whatever you want, but we've seen these guys struggle if they are used 3, 4, 5 straight nights. And then you eventually end up with situations like Feliciano, who's out for the year. I think more often than not, these struggles are mental. They feel they are being 'pushed' and therefore are more apt to be mentally out of it, and subsequently physically more tired. However, if the mind set of being able to pitch every day was instilled in these players in the minor leagues and earlier in their big league careers, this wouldn't be such a problem. Granted, I have never pitched a day in my life...but throwing a curveball is the same today as it was 30 years ago. Even if you're right, this probably isn't something that can be changed quickly. The babying would likely have been going on since high school, so I'm not sure their bodies could even handle it. I agree with this, and another problem the organization faces is that if this bullpen just "works," doing anything that might jeopardize that is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Lmao @ fans in Braves forums going crazy over Fredi's terrible managerial skills. This is too golden, right now. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving team :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Edwin did a nice job from what I saw, yeah. And he pinch-hit with Helms, which worked out really well. Well, it didn't take a genius to do that, so I won't give him credit for that move. So you're saying you would have put Helms in at that time? Sorry, not buying into that one. Like has been stated so many times....A reliable lefty off the bench will make Helms look better this year over last year when we didn't have one. Another nice move Edwin made was the defensive replacement of Cousins in RF. Worked out good. He out-managed Freddy. Yes, I would have put a right-handed hitter in, at that time. Dobbs doesn't hit lefties well; it's not exactly rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 As Lou said, we have enough bullpen depth to overcome issues of the past this year. Also, I wouldn't expect our starters to be as bad as they've been so far this year. It's not a terrible starting rotation on paper, so I'd expect them to make up for it, sooner rather than later. Anibal Sanchez has had his struggles early on, for example, but I'm not even worried about him yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 As Lou said, we have enough bullpen depth to overcome issues of the past this year. Also, I wouldn't expect our starters to be as bad as they've been so far this year. It's not a terrible starting rotation on paper, so I'd expect them to make up for it, sooner rather than later. Anibal Sanchez has had his struggles early on, for example, but I'm not even worried about him yet. What is it about that word on here recently.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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