Also, if he starts playing like it's 2011 again (which is pretty recent), he'll have value at the trade deadline.

Why wait, trade him now. Actually, if nothing else, I was getting bored seeing everyone else sign someone.

I like the lineup but LoMo's status are still questionable.

 

If he can make it, we can be threatened division rivals.

On the other hand, If he couldn't do that, like Jeremy Hermida, we will wave the white flag in a hurry.

It's only "not that bad" if guys like Ruggiano, Solano, and Brantley put up the same numbers as they did last year, and that's far from guaranteed. I wouldn't be shocked at all if all 3 of those guys regressed. Stanton won't see any pitches to hit all year. Polanco and Pierre are aging and decent at best. Lomo is a bust. Hecheveria isn't much offensively. It's a bad lineup.

Well if you want to be a pessimist about every player, then yes it'd be a bad lineup. Just as they could all regress, some could also do the same or better though.

I've never seen a Marlins lineup with such little power. Outside of Stanton, nobody is hitting any more than 12-15 home runs next season.

 

As far as the Polanco signing, I'm not upset because he was the best option available in this shit storm we called a third baseman search.

 

No matter who our third baseman is, whether it's Kouzmanoff or Polanco, they're going to struggle to OPS above .720.

 

Admin, you can say what you want, but I personally believe there are three players that don't belong starting on a major league squad (Hechevarria, Polanco, Solano), and two players, one of which has underperformed so bad that they might have worked there way out of Miami soon (LoMo) and one player who overperformed so much last season that expectations might be unreasonably high for him (Ruggiano).

 

The only people who I feel in the current starting lineup that we can safely say how they'll likely do next season are Rob Brantly (league average catcher), Juan Pierre, and Stanton.

 

And while the starting rotation has more promise than the starting lineup, there's still MAJOR questions surrounding a rotation headed by Nolasco/Turner/Eovaldi/Alvarez/random 5th starter. This season probably won't be 95-100 losses, but I'd be really surprised if we have any more than 73-75 wins next season.

This season probably won't be 95-100 losses, but I'd be really surprised if we have any more than 73-75 wins next season.

So, we almost agree on the win total then. I had said 75.

This team will start looking a hell of a lot better when Yelich/Fernandez/Heaney/Marisnick get September call ups. But at this point, I see no reason keeping Stanton around during this rebuilding process. I hate the idea of trading him, but this will be the only time Texas' farm system will be stacked with the likes of Profar/Olt/Perez/Buckel/Martin. The timing is fine as everyone hates the Marlins currently anyway, and the Rangers have failed in their quest to keep Josh Hamilton or get any real power hitters. I know Stanton is a hell of a lot better than Mark Teixiera, but just look at the trade the Rangers made with the Braves and you'll see we could get a similar style, if not slightly better return for Stanton.

 

At this point I've given up any real hope that we can keep Stanton here long term. The front office f*cked up, so the only real thing to do right now would to see if Texas would trade their top guns. Although the thing the Marlins are going to do is hold on to Stanton, refuse to offer him any kind of extension for another few years like they've been doing, then trade him when his value is lowest. It's the Marlins way.

This season probably won't be 95-100 losses, but I'd be really surprised if we have any more than 73-75 wins next season.

So, we almost agree on the win total then. I had said 75.

I think our pitching will be better than some expect (even after Nolasco gets traded). I think we have a better lineup than we had in the months of August and September last season when the team threw in the white towel, costing the team a good deal of wins leading to that 69 win mark (and the reason it's annoying when the front office uses that "we traded everybody because we won 69 games last season" remark, considering we were starting guys like Gil Velasquez at the end). Honestly, the Marlins could lose 100 games next season, but a team filled with young players are always unpredictable, so I expect a few wins on good 'ol young blood alone. Honestly, this team could win anywhere from 55 to 80 games next season. Hard to predict since we haven't seen any of these players other than Stanton/LoMo play last season in our lineup.

Before signing Polanco, other clubs say they explored deals for Olt, Castellanos and Gyorko.

Surprised the fish didn't offer Nolasco in exchange for all 3.

It's only "not that bad" if guys like Ruggiano, Solano, and Brantley put up the same numbers as they did last year, and that's far from guaranteed. I wouldn't be shocked at all if all 3 of those guys regressed. Stanton won't see any pitches to hit all year. Polanco and Pierre are aging and decent at best. Lomo is a bust. Hecheveria isn't much offensively. It's a bad lineup.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!...

I've never seen a Marlins lineup with such little power. Outside of Stanton, nobody is hitting any more than 12-15 home runs next season.

 

As far as the Polanco signing, I'm not upset because he was the best option available in this shit storm we called a third baseman search.

 

No matter who our third baseman is, whether it's Kouzmanoff or Polanco, they're going to struggle to OPS above .720.

 

Admin, you can say what you want, but I personally believe there are three players that don't belong starting on a major league squad (Hechevarria, Polanco, Solano), and two players, one of which has underperformed so bad that they might have worked there way out of Miami soon (LoMo) and one player who overperformed so much last season that expectations might be unreasonably high for him (Ruggiano).

 

The only people who I feel in the current starting lineup that we can safely say how they'll likely do next season are Rob Brantly (league average catcher), Juan Pierre, and Stanton.

 

And while the starting rotation has more promise than the starting lineup, there's still MAJOR questions surrounding a rotation headed by Nolasco/Turner/Eovaldi/Alvarez/random 5th starter. This season probably won't be 95-100 losses, but I'd be really surprised if we have any more than 73-75 wins next season.

 

If healthy, Morrison and Ruggiano probably will.

While I agree with the Dominguez thing, the Polanco move is a nice signing for a year. He was hurt last year, but if you look at the rest of his career...the only 3B available who was more talented was Youkilis and he's not $12 million, at this point.

 

It's a nice deal. I had forgotten Polanco was a free agent, but he's honestly better than Reynolds, Ian Stewart, Jack Hannahan, Jeff Keppinger and all the other mediocre players who have gotten better deals this offseason because they're capable of playing 3B somewhat.

 

Polanco is a very good defender and his batted ball data suggest that his average should be better than the .257 BA he put up last year.

 

I like it. If they're facing a tough righty that presents a good matchup, they could also put him at 2B and maybe let Dobbs play 3B occasionally, as well.

 

6-7 months from now you will be saying that Polanco is "not very good" and that the Marlins should get rid of him.

While I agree with the Dominguez thing, the Polanco move is a nice signing for a year. He was hurt last year, but if you look at the rest of his career...the only 3B available who was more talented was Youkilis and he's not $12 million, at this point.

 

It's a nice deal. I had forgotten Polanco was a free agent, but he's honestly better than Reynolds, Ian Stewart, Jack Hannahan, Jeff Keppinger and all the other mediocre players who have gotten better deals this offseason because they're capable of playing 3B somewhat.

 

Polanco is a very good defender and his batted ball data suggest that his average should be better than the .257 BA he put up last year.

 

I like it. If they're facing a tough righty that presents a good matchup, they could also put him at 2B and maybe let Dobbs play 3B occasionally, as well.

 

6-7 months from now you will be saying that Polanco is "not very good" and that the Marlins should get rid of him.

Seriously, you should search for a dictionary and look up the definition of context. Or, at least stop misinterpreting things I say before you quote me next time. Or perhaps tell a funny joke next time. Pick one.

 

It's as though you're saying I simply like players when they're on the team and dislike them when they're off of it, which is not the case.

 

I'm pretty consistent in terms of who I like/don't like.

 

The market for 3B sucked so I said Polanco was the best one available considering Youkilis is not worth $12 million. After Youkilis, there was no 3B available with a better resume.

 

Is there a reason why you're upset? Is it because I said John Buck sucked after he was traded? Because I said Mark Buehrle isn't worth the money he's making BEFORE and after he was traded?

 

It's because of the Vernon Wells thing, isn't it? I change my mind so much that I mentioned the idea about a week ago and I still like it. I'm such a flip-flopper.

Any chance we still try to trade for Bourjos?

Any chance we still try to trade for Bourjos?

 

FO said they don't like his bat even though he is a 4.5 WAR player

Any chance we still try to trade for Bourjos?

He's probably not available anymore; they traded Morales.

Any chance we still try to trade for Bourjos?

He's probably not available anymore; they traded Morales.

Ah, didn't hear about that yet. Bummer.

Lineup (career Avg.)

 

Pierre (.297)

Solano (.295)

Stanton (.270)

Lomo (.251)

Rugg (.277)

Polanco (.299)

Brantly (.290)

Heche (.254)

 

Averages don't mean much by themselves. Just by glancing over it, Pierre and Polanco don't walk much, Solano doesn't have any power, Ruggiano's average is primarily a product of one season, and Brantly and Hechavarria haven't been in the majors long enough to use career stats as a reference point. This team could be OK, but it could be pretty fucking terrible too.

Kinda disagree about Hech being ML-ready. He's already been labeled with ML-ready defense, specifically the kind of defense at SS that "people pay to see", take that for whatever it's worth. The question of course is his bat but he did hit pretty well at 24 in AAA last season, only thing left is to throw him out there and see if he doesn't embarrass himself at the plate. As most scouting reports have noted, with that type of glove he really may not have to hit much to still have value. I mean in the end he may not last but he's due for a shot.

 

 

and yeah Entendu there's almost no one who will draw a walk there.

 

Fine with the Polanco signing at this point I guess considering what was left, helps the defense if he can stay relatively healthy. I wonder if they may need to use him like the Reds did with Rolen though (give him days off) to keep him from breaking down completely. (oh and lol at going from Yunel Escobar to Placido Polanco over "communication issues")

 

Jayson Stark says they explored trades for Olt, Castellanos, and Gyorko before going with Polanco.

The size of this man's head is UNREAL.

Who has a bigger head: Placido Polanco or Kevin Mench?

Looks Like the great Gazoo from the flintstones.

 

I'm pleasantly surprised to be honest- I figured he was out if our league this offseason. Looks like his market wasn't ripe with starting jobs.

 

He'll be with a contender in August. Hopefully his value will be great then.

Placido Polanco and Juan Pierre retirement home here we COME!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, if he starts playing like it's 2011 again (which is pretty recent), he'll have value at the trade deadline.

And hopefully by that time Zack Cox will be amounting to something.

Most likely Dietrich is the guy the Marlins are expecting to take over the hot corner... If Zach Cox rediscovers his bat that would be huge and would give the Marlins incredible flexibility in the infield for years to come

The Polanco signing just fits, this should be a scrappy team the Marlins will be fielding in 2013

I am hoping Jensen can win an Outfield spot to provide the power piece in the 5th spot of the lineup