November 3, 201511 yr I understand but my overall point was about his mindset in general and that can absolutely be taken from that quote and from his overall style as owner. The fact that time and time again he fires the manager and legitimately expects significant change by doing so shows how incompetent he is as an owner.
November 3, 201511 yr Prove that managers matter. You can't really do it quantitatively or at least not in any way that I'm aware of. Logically speaking, baseball is simply a chain of situations and outcomes. That's why we have sabermetrics. It stands to reason that any person delegated with ability to assert influence over those situations ultimate must "matter" to some degree.
November 3, 201511 yr Also, the Josh Johnson incident in 2006 is some anecdotal evidence. I feel like most managers with at least a portion of a brain know better than to send a starting pitcher out on the mound after a prolonged rain delay. Girardi made a plainly bad decision that ultimately "mattered" in a big way.
November 3, 201511 yr Prove that managers matter. Not sure how it can be done statistically but with a simple fact. What are the odds that the exact same future happens if Collins takes Harvey out to start the 9th as some other managers may have? Could it have played out identically? Sure but not likely. Collins changed the course of the game with his decision (which I agreed with).
November 3, 201511 yr Great post. Empty quote, empty reply. I had to cause my phone wouldn't let me type a message without sending this first. Sorry for breaking the fourth wall.
November 3, 201511 yr Having Harvey face the lead off righty was the right move. Having harvey face the lefty after the walk was a bad move. This is regardless of the outcome. A manager should know his ptichers splits and his strengths and weaknesses and manage accordingly. I didn't really get his explanation for why he left him in to face another batter. Something like "you can't leave a guy in if it's only going to be for one batter... if so then it wasn't worth it" or whatever. I mean why can't your plan be "i'm leaving him in 'til someone reaches base"? It seemed like he wanted to go with the closer but went with his heart for Harvey. Waiting 'til someone reached base seemed like the perfect compromise to me. Once someone reaches 2b the change is probably too late anyway.
November 3, 201511 yr If mattingly leaves in brad hand in the 9th inning of game 7 and we are not up by at least 10 I will flip my shit.
November 3, 201511 yr If mattingly leaves in brad hand in the 9th inning of game 7 and we are not up by at least 10 I will flip my shit. Are you talking about game 7 of the 2016 season Tuesday April 12th against the Mets? Cuz that's about the only time I can see Brad Hand pitching in any type of game 7.
November 3, 201511 yr LMAO^ Brad Hand has no business on this roster next year, I hope... Ahhh you been saying that since 2012
November 3, 201511 yr LMAO^ Brad Hand has no business on this roster next year, I hope... 99% chance he won't be
November 4, 201511 yr Logically speaking, there should be a gap, yes. I think that Joe Maddon is clearly better than Mike Redmond or Dan Jennings. You don't see any evidence because there's no way to quantitatively prove it. There's also no evidence to undermine the conventional wisdom that managers "matter."
November 4, 201511 yr Well don't we indirectly have ways of measuring the gap between a "good" and a "bad" manager? We know which strategies produce the most runs over the course of a season so the more consistent a manager is following the strategies the better he is, right? It would be pretty hard to go through every action a manager does to figure out his value but it could be done.
November 4, 201511 yr So there is no evidence or way to measure how much better a manager is at in game decisions, but there is a large enough gap to definitively say a good manager can generate wins. I'm sceptical and will be until there is a way to prove this. I don't see the problem, quite frankly. Again, it's based on inference and a priori logic. I'd say that's plenty sufficient when there are no empirical means available. High leverage situations ultimately decide the outcomes of games and the manager wields a great amount of control over them. Much of the game can be managed itself, but not those isolated, high leverage moments that make or break the outcome of the game. It's fine to be skeptical and all, but I wouldn't hold that belief just because there isn't quantitative evidence.
November 4, 201511 yr Disappointed Brett Butler won't be back. Did a good job with Dee Gordon's bunting and the outfield defense. Guess that demotion didn't boil over.
November 5, 201511 yr 4 years 10 mil for Don. Considering what the fish were prepared to offer him, they got a discount here. Well it only took Scoop 3 days longer than me
November 5, 201511 yr Scoop finally got around to logging into his MB account (if he has one) and saw my post
November 5, 201511 yr Scoop would seriously be a better writer if he paid attention to these boards. He does pay attention. He's trolled us on numerous occasions
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