July 30, 20169 yr Those defending the trade are mostly making assumptions that Naylor and/or Castillo will be busts in the bigs if they make it. And that CC won't be able to return to form. All while assuming Rea and Guerrero will end up being great. Free to have an opinion but that's an awful lot of stuff that would need to happen. We made the Padres pay Cashner's deal and if you think that's not a factor, it is I agree that $ was a factor, but a small one. Not equal to getting Capps. And I disagree by how you think people in support of the deal are evaluating it. If it helps our team win now, Naylor and Castillo can be good players and it won't matter. Like the Urbina deal and countless other trade deadline deals around the league over the years. You don't add pitchers for free. Orioles and Rangers were in on Cashner, just to name a couple clubs. Plus, this is not an Urbina situation because Rea has long term potential and Guerrero is intriguing. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app
July 30, 20169 yr The 2003 team was closer to being a WS champion so the Urbina deal made sense. They needed to improve the back of the pen and he was one of the best closers in the game at the time. This trade arguably doesn't improve the 2016 roster that much and I don't think the team is as close to being a WS champion as the 2003 team was. So what we did was we mortgaged the future for no real reason and more than we had to because Loria was being cheap. Guerrero has shown no reason for people to be optimistic. He throws hard, yay. Rea has potential, fine but he sure as hell wasn't worth all of this. Again, I didn't like the trade much before the cash part became known but I was probably going to end up accepting it. The fact we made San Diego include cash is ridiculous. It 100% changed the package we were sending back. The Padres count every penny.
July 30, 20169 yr The cash part is on Loria not Hill. And do you forget how close we were at times to NOT winning the WS in 2003? It's all about trying when you have the window of opportunity. We just added 2/5 of our rotation - that's more than a closer. And we added a couple long term pieces this time. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app
July 30, 20169 yr The cash part is on Loria not Hill. I'm pretty sure I said that 50 times, but feel free to ignore what I write.
July 30, 20169 yr I like it more when Admin and I agree on trades. It seems I'm always on the wrong side though ha. I thought I had more people on my side this time but maybe not.
July 30, 20169 yr It seems I'm always on the wrong side though ha. I thought I had more people on my side this time but maybe not. Seems like most people dislike the Cashner trade, no?
July 30, 20169 yr Seems like most people dislike the Cashner trade, no? Thought so yesterday but I'm getting bombarded today with opposing arguments and not many on my side. Maybe the people from yesterday are still asleep.
July 30, 20169 yr I think the same package might have gotten us Hellickson, maybe I'm crazy but considering how much we gave up ya know.
July 30, 20169 yr The thing that boggles my mind is how multiple people have implied that $$$ coming our way didn't change the Padres haul. Of course it did. Padres are a traditionally frugal team with an inflated payroll this season, that's a well known fact. They aren't handing out $2 million donations.
July 30, 20169 yr There's a clip with Brian Kenny on the mlb app in the video section (go to the videos and search for 'Brian Kenny') and he's analyzing the trade and he's pretty adamant that it was a lateral move with only a glimmer of paying off and he brings up how much we gave up and he uses plenty of numbers, watch it, it's refreshing when tv analysts do more than just say I love it or I hate it.
July 30, 20169 yr The thing that boggles my mind is how multiple people have implied that $$$ coming our way didn't change the Padres haul. Of course it did. Padres are a traditionally frugal team with an inflated payroll this season, that's a well known fact. They aren't handing out $2 million donations. maybe Loria is planning to bid on the Gormley painting next year on Auction Night.
July 30, 20169 yr but on a more serious note it makes me cringe every time we get cash back in a deal because that is HURTING the team. Loria has more than enough $$ to put into the team. We need better players, not more money for paintings. Tired of seeing that shit because it's crippling us. For all we know that money was why Capps had to be included. The more and more I sit here and look at that trade the angrier I get because it's pretty much a lateral move or this year and hurts us for future years. It's like Mike Hill reads headlines only and does no research on the actual people he acquires. Chocolate Chunk needs to go.
July 30, 20169 yr When is the last time the Marlins completed a relatively big trade and didn't get cash coming back? We're selling players in every trade, and that money rarely if ever goes back into the team.
July 30, 20169 yr The cash part is on Loria not Hill. And do you forget how close we were at times to NOT winning the WS in 2003? It's all about trying when you have the window of opportunity. We just added 2/5 of our rotation - that's more than a closer. And we added a couple long term pieces this time. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Except Cashner sucks. Rea is worse. If that is 2/5 of your rotation, you arent going very far, tbh.
July 30, 20169 yr I just want jeff Loria gone. We need true baseball people. Fuck this guy. He is a joke!
July 31, 20169 yr The MLBTR headline should have read "Padres Acquire Carter Capps in 7 Player Deal" so true, he was the best player moved in this deal.
July 31, 20169 yr Except Cashner sucks. 7.5 WAR 2013-now You're a horrific evaluator of a baseball players worth.
July 31, 20169 yr 7.5 WAR 2013-now You're a horrific evaluator of a baseball players worth. 4.5 WAR 2013-2014 -1.2 WAR 2015-2016 what?
July 31, 20169 yr so was dan Jennings n Admin beinfest Actually, Beinfest left because he wasn't supposedly.
July 31, 20169 yr 4.5 WAR 2013-2014 -1.2 WAR 2015-2016 what? Per fangraphs: 2013: 2.7 2014: 2.3 2015: 2.3 2016: 0.2
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